The IDI turbocharger thread...
#61
I think two things you have to look at the CR of the IDI at 21.5:1 and the displacement difference. With the high CR you will get a lot more drive pressure especially at low rpm than a 6.0l. I have seen some video that ATS had with a IDI and there Arora 3000. I was pretty empressive clip of sled pulling. just my two cents.
Thanks. Poor heads must be the missing piece, as displacement basically the same as Cummins. I couldn't figure out why it wouldn't spool well, but that's a plausible explanation. I'll see if I can find more info on what it's like on a 7.3 PS, I still think it might be "too big" or at least "overkill" for the engine I'm building, but it sounds like it ~is good for the IDI in general.
Do you know where I can find specifics about the discontinued Aurora 2000? I still see them on eBay, and I'm interested in them. Not to save $$ over the A3000, but to bring best spool down into the peak torque range like I see with the BW S256 map. Any idea if there are turbo maps for either the A3000 or A2000? Is the A3000 a replacement for the A2000 or did ATS just drop the small one? Is A3000 a BW S200 platform, S300 platform or other? Sorry, probably asking things you may not be allowed to talk about, but if you can...
Do you know where I can find specifics about the discontinued Aurora 2000? I still see them on eBay, and I'm interested in them. Not to save $$ over the A3000, but to bring best spool down into the peak torque range like I see with the BW S256 map. Any idea if there are turbo maps for either the A3000 or A2000? Is the A3000 a replacement for the A2000 or did ATS just drop the small one? Is A3000 a BW S200 platform, S300 platform or other? Sorry, probably asking things you may not be allowed to talk about, but if you can...
As for the A3k, it is our own creation, it is a 200/300 hybrid that we create in house. Technically my charger is now a 300/200 hybrid as well.
#62
This is the A2k, PN: 317246 (.76 housing). That should bolt straight into an 093 setup, and with the turbo hats I have look just like an 093. It has a milled flange side on the discharge for use with our adapters like you see in my picture of my turbocharger.
http://www.spsturbostore.com/borgwar...pn-317246.html
Here is the A2000 hat:
(mixed in with exhaust housings)
The A3K, as I said, is not a box stock charger, it is our in house creation. It is an S300/S200 hybrid with our own cast compressor cover. Spools like the A2K, supports more power. It replaced the A2k.
http://www.spsturbostore.com/borgwar...pn-317246.html
Here is the A2000 hat:
(mixed in with exhaust housings)
The A3K, as I said, is not a box stock charger, it is our in house creation. It is an S300/S200 hybrid with our own cast compressor cover. Spools like the A2K, supports more power. It replaced the A2k.
#63
Well, I am a former 2.3T guy...I think you need a fairly serious 2.3 to get the potential out of a 60 trim. Although, I had a 57 trim on my Turbo Coupe and it was a BEAST with that thing, crappy map or not! And that was at only 17 psi with stock injectors.
I was just looking through lots of maps back when I had my truck because I wanted to try a turbo upgrade. The 60 trim looked almost ideal for something in the 10-15 psi range.
But, another issue is that there's no way of fitting a T04E compressor housing with the turbo in the original location of a 7.3 IDI factory turbo, it hits the intake manifold. You COULD have the original compressor housing machined to fit a T04E wheel, though, as I was told by a turbo shop...
I was just looking through lots of maps back when I had my truck because I wanted to try a turbo upgrade. The 60 trim looked almost ideal for something in the 10-15 psi range.
But, another issue is that there's no way of fitting a T04E compressor housing with the turbo in the original location of a 7.3 IDI factory turbo, it hits the intake manifold. You COULD have the original compressor housing machined to fit a T04E wheel, though, as I was told by a turbo shop...
My next turbo is going to be a frankenstein, with a to4e housing, going to have to mod my intake or hat to fit.
#64
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#66
maxed out stocker/90cc pump
As far as maps go, google image search is the best source, just have to weed through to find the correct maps...
#67
Well, I am a former 2.3T guy...I think you need a fairly serious 2.3 to get the potential out of a 60 trim. Although, I had a 57 trim on my Turbo Coupe and it was a BEAST with that thing, crappy map or not! And that was at only 17 psi with stock injectors.
I was just looking through lots of maps back when I had my truck because I wanted to try a turbo upgrade. The 60 trim looked almost ideal for something in the 10-15 psi range.
But, another issue is that there's no way of fitting a T04E compressor housing with the turbo in the original location of a 7.3 IDI factory turbo, it hits the intake manifold. You COULD have the original compressor housing machined to fit a T04E wheel, though, as I was told by a turbo shop...
I was just looking through lots of maps back when I had my truck because I wanted to try a turbo upgrade. The 60 trim looked almost ideal for something in the 10-15 psi range.
But, another issue is that there's no way of fitting a T04E compressor housing with the turbo in the original location of a 7.3 IDI factory turbo, it hits the intake manifold. You COULD have the original compressor housing machined to fit a T04E wheel, though, as I was told by a turbo shop...
As far as the 60 trim goes though, its not real good for something over around 10psi or so (it will do it, but your in stock turbo territory for efficiency)... Its not really worth "upgrading" to...
12psi boost limited:
maxed pump/90cc peak boost:
#68
I sell a ton of A3K's for the 7.3 and it works awesome. I use .85 housings on it, as I do the 5.9.
The 6.0 has such crappy flowing heads and low displacement that you have to use a .76 housing on it to get good spool from it, and this cuts out on top end power.
500rwhp would be stretching it to its limits on an IDI.... 450rwhp is more in the happy range. My turbo with the new exhaust housing is essentially our new A4k.
The 6.0 has such crappy flowing heads and low displacement that you have to use a .76 housing on it to get good spool from it, and this cuts out on top end power.
500rwhp would be stretching it to its limits on an IDI.... 450rwhp is more in the happy range. My turbo with the new exhaust housing is essentially our new A4k.
#71
Aurora 3000:
compressor = 57mm x 84mm
turbine = 73mm x 64mm
Exhaust housing = .85 A/R T3
Aurora 2000:
compressor = 56mm x 80mm
turbine = 74mm x 65mm
Exhaust housing = .76 A/R T3
NMB2 says Aurora 2000 is a Borg Warner S200, part no. 317246. BW also lists a S200 with a .85 A/R housing as part no. 317222 which would make it extremely similar to the Aurora 3000, at least specification wise.*
These turbos seem a little "small", in that the compressor is about like an HX35, and they are physically a little smaller than an HX35, but according to the diesel power mag review of the Aurora 2000, it can move 877 cfm (vs 555 cfm for HX35), and spooled faster 3.7 sec (vs 6.1 sec) on their Cummins. Don't know how the spool of the .85 housing on the Aurora 3000 compares, but supposedly quick compared to the Holset.*
Boostlab also sells a Borg Warner S259, which it touts as "the highest flowing S200 model" and "the latest in quick-spool, high-flow aerodynamics". This seems like another turbo similar to the Auroras:
S259
compressor = 58.6mm x 79.8mm
turbine = 69.6mm x 60.6mm
Turbine housing .70 A/R
Compressir housing .55 A/R
Flow = 60 lb/min (868 cfm)
There is also a Bullseye Power S259 unit that supports 350-600 hp.*
compressor = 58mm x 80mm
turbine = 74mm x 64mm
Available with .85, .76, .70, and .55 A/R exhaust housings.*
All these turbos are "expensive" by comparison to the glut of used, stock turbos available on eBay, and still pretty high compared to say, a basic new S256, but it seems that the performance is commensurate with the price tag.*
#72
It's hard to list a bunch of turbo specs in a forum thread in a way that makes them easy to compare, but it seems like the Auroras (compared to many other turbos) have noteably large turbine wheels in relation to the compressor wheel, and noteably small compressor wheel trim fractions. Just an observation....
#73
I could be wrong, but it almost seems like you're trying to dispute my numbers with me?
You do know I work for ATS right? I'm about a 1 minute walk to our turbo shop, thoroughbred is one of my dealers, but they are not the subject matter expert on all of our turbos, I am.
The A3k is a 59/84 compressor wheel. 74/65 turbine wheel. It comes in either a .76 T3, .85 T3, or 1.0 T3.
You do know I work for ATS right? I'm about a 1 minute walk to our turbo shop, thoroughbred is one of my dealers, but they are not the subject matter expert on all of our turbos, I am.
The A3k is a 59/84 compressor wheel. 74/65 turbine wheel. It comes in either a .76 T3, .85 T3, or 1.0 T3.
#75
I could be wrong, but it almost seems like you're trying to dispute my numbers with me?
You do know I work for ATS right? I'm about a 1 minute walk to our turbo shop, thoroughbred is one of my dealers, but they are not the subject matter expert on all of our turbos, I am.
The A3k is a 59/84 compressor wheel. 74/65 turbine wheel. It comes in either a .76 T3, .85 T3, or 1.0 T3.
You do know I work for ATS right? I'm about a 1 minute walk to our turbo shop, thoroughbred is one of my dealers, but they are not the subject matter expert on all of our turbos, I am.
The A3k is a 59/84 compressor wheel. 74/65 turbine wheel. It comes in either a .76 T3, .85 T3, or 1.0 T3.