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Old 07-11-2012, 10:09 PM
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building up the 410...

soo, its time to start ordering parts and get ready to rebuild the 410. but still undecided on a few things, like the appropriate compression ratio, pistons/rods, rockers, and so on.
really just lookin for ideas and opinions at the moment.

i have allready done the performance bolt ons, name it it is probably there, or at least under my bed.

so first big question: compression ratio! what to shoot for,what i dont want to go above.
running pump gas is a must.

truck is a 4wd f-100 will have 33" tires. no towing, just playing/ daily driver and some more playing!!!
 
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:03 AM
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410 parts

What parts are you thinking about ordering
 
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:34 PM
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Since you said pump gas is a must, I'd say the CR needs to no higher than 10.5:1, or you could run into pinging issues. Even at 10.5, you're going to need the timing curve dialed in just right.
The good news is, stock 410/390 truck pistons will get you into that ballpark on stock 390/410 rods.

Going over 10.5:1 CR can be done, and keep it on pump gas, but it usually needs the upper end stuff.
 
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Old 07-12-2012, 02:10 PM
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Stock 410s were 10.5, so your head gasket and cc volume, and IF those pistons are made the same will determine what you end up with.

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stock rods and pistons will be replaced with new parts, probly from survival motorsports.
pump gas is only important cuas i drive my truck everywhere. have no problem running 92, or what ever they are calling high test. it is actually prefered
 
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ok so at the moment i am looking at
Probe pistons about 10.4:1 (30 over)
Scat H-beam rods
Comp cams XE274H
Holley off road carb, 670 or 770 cfm... still undecided

oh! rocker arms i forgot! roller or not???
i donthave any experience w/ rollers, are they reliable? who to stay away from, whats the best choice?

should i look into a new flywheel? or is the old stocker just fine?
 
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Do you have a 410/428 flywheel? They have to be externally balanced.
 
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ummmm i would assume so, the original 410 build was done back in the 70's according to previous owner.
 
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Oh, I thought you were starting from scratch.
 
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Originally Posted by 410F-100
ok so at the moment i am looking at
Probe pistons about 10.4:1 (30 over)
Scat H-beam rods
Comp cams XE274H
Holley off road carb, 670 or 770 cfm... still undecided

oh! rocker arms i forgot! roller or not???
i donthave any experience w/ rollers, are they reliable? who to stay away from, whats the best choice?

should i look into a new flywheel? or is the old stocker just fine?
What are you using the truck for? If nothing serious which it doesn't sound like the H beam rods are a high, but unnecesary, cost. Rollers are also nice but for most engines also unnecesary. Will probably triple or quadruple your valve train cost.
 
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Roller rockers are not a must in my opinion as well. As for carb definitely go with the 670!!!!
I had a new 770 TA on my 428 with similar parts and compression and it had a major top end flat spot where it lagged. Holley tech said the motor I had was too small and didn't have enough velocity to pick up the ball in the metering block. Even the 770 comes with a 2.5 powervalve setup for an extreme cam.
They suggested a 670 and now it's a whole new animal. Good power through all rpm range.
Good luck!
 
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What are you using the truck for? If nothing serious which it doesn't soung like the H beam rods are a high, but unnecesary, cost. Rollers are also nice but for most engines also unnecesary. Will probably triple or quadruple your valve train cost.
I concur. Unless you're going to winding it pretty tight, the H beam rods and roller rockers would just be bragging rights. Costly ones at that.
 
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Originally Posted by Rogue_Wulff
I concur. Unless you're going to winding it pretty tight, the H beam rods and roller rockers would just be bragging rights. Costly ones at that.
BUT by the time I had mine rehoned and arp bolts put it it was almost as much as H beams. I was mad at my machine shop for starting the build without my go and had entire rotating assembly balanced with the stock beefed up rods redone. I seen cost on rods and was going to put on hold for new ones but they jumped the gun!

My stock ones should be fine and the shop took a few hundred bucks off bill
 
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i use the truck for everything, but i have a power addiction, i allways need more!!! and want to be able to turn high rpms if i wanted to.
H-beam rods are like security man!!!
as for money, i dont mind spending it, allways make it back.
 
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:58 PM
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ya know, that 445 kit from survival is starting to tempt me... cant go wrong w/ another 30 cubes... but is 30 cubes worth almost another G on my build?
 


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