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5.0 coyote ecoboost to go in to super duty ?

Has anyone heard anything more about a 5.0 eco boost engine?

It's been speculated for a while that the heads on the 5.0 were cast to accomodate direct injection like the current ecoboost.

If they do this, do you think we'll see the engine in the super duty, or would that start biting into fords diesel sales too much to ever happen?
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That would really surprise me. There is plenty they can do with the 6.2 if they choose to improve performance. I hope they do. I would like a diesel alternative. The 5.0 ain't it IMHO.
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That would really surprise me. There is plenty they can do with the 6.2 if they choose to improve performance. I hope they do. I would like a diesel alternative. The 5.0 ain't it IMHO.
What advantage would a 6.2 have over a 5.0 direct injected turbo?

An ecoboost 5.0 could likely have 500 hp!!
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What advantage would a 6.2 have over a 5.0 direct injected turbo?
Bore it to 7.0L and make it put out 700HP?

500HP in a heavy-light truck might be a pipe dream for a few more years, I'd bet we see more gears before breaking 500HP becomes normal. In the SD lineup when they started going past 300HP we went from a 4spd to a 5spd auto, then when the 400HP 6.7 came out we got 6 speeds.

So here's to 8 speeds and 500HP, whatever fuel it burns.
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I think direct injection is the future for all gas engines. That along with computer controlled manual transmissions.

Imagine a direct injected 6.2 liter with dual clutch computer controlled 8 speed manual transmission. Hmmmm.....
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I would guess the 5.0 would be used because it would be big enough to make big power, yet good mileage?
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They can do a 6.2 Ecoboost if they want. Or add valves, bore it out, whatever. I'm not interested in less displacement, and making it up with higher revs. That is not what I want in a truck engine.

I think word is getting around that it isn't such a great idea in the F150 either if you need pulling power.
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I'm pretty sure the 5.0 with ecoboost hardware would make more low end TQ than the 6.2 ...
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also many people believe the 5.0 is already cast for direct injection, and we will see it shortly.
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Not saying it's not a good idea, but there would be some education required. The "5.0" moniker has historically been associated w/ mustangs and the truck version, the 302 didn't have a great reputation for pulling power. That said if it generated 500hp and even more torque I could see it going over. The Ecoboost seems to have a good reputation in the 150's so maybe call the superduty version Powerboost or something. I expect royalties when they use that btw! I can see the ad campaign now, picture Mike Rowe or maybe Dennis Leary saying "This aint your daddy's 302." Maybe a video of a new superduty towing a line of 80's and 90's trucks.
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Would adding a turbo to a v8 suck even more gas when you get on it. I could see getting 6-7 mpg when towing or spirited driving.
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I think you will see a direct injection engine soon, but I do not think you'll see an Ecoboost in the Super Duty line.

An Ecoboost engine has adequate power for the vehicle, plus a power adder gives it that extra power when needed. A Super Duty truck would be using that extra power a lot more compared to a daily driver F-150. The engine would wear out faster. Commercial owners would not like the trucks if they had to rebuild or replace the engine every 100k miles.

Direct injection is being used on some GM engines already. Nothing new there.
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I do not think you'll see an Ecoboost in the Super Duty line.
The 3.5 ecoboost in the f150 has a nice tow rating.

If there does end up being a direct injected turbo 5.0, i think the only reason it wouldn't make it into the super duty is that ford would lose diesel sales, a.k.a. bread n butter.
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The 3.5 ecoboost in the f150 has a nice tow rating.

If there does end up being a direct injected turbo 5.0, i think the only reason it wouldn't make it into the super duty is that ford would lose diesel sales, a.k.a. bread n butter.
Does anyone have a link or some other reputable information regarding Ford's diesel sales over the past dozen years, (updated with 2011 info)? I would be interested to see how their diesel sales actually look. Most every fleet manager or business owner that I've talked to think that Ford diesels have 'jumped the shark'...so to speak. Meaning, that diesel engined class 2-5 trucks don't make nearly as much economical sense as they once did.

As far as I know, Ford's "Bread and Butter" is in the commercial segment and I simply don't see that many new diesels on the road compared to days of old. The majority of the new diesels that I see appear to be privately owned vehicles.
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Um, no thanks to the 5.0 superduty. I'd rather see a 4 valve 6.2 with a good VVT system.
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