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What else could Ford be bringing with 2013 mid-cycle refresh?

Other than some exterior cosmetic updates, does anybody think Ford will make mechanical changes too, like:
  • Making an 8-speed transmission available?
  • Adding direction injection to those motors that currently don't have it?
  • Boring out the <layer id="searchwp-highlighting0" highlight="term-1" class="searchwp-term">6.2</layer>L to 7.0 or something else?
What is speculated to be changed/updated in the interior?
 
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One think they are going to do, which is overdue is make a spay in bed liner available from the factory for the F150 like the SD trucks can get. About time. I ordered a FX4 in octerber and it was not offered to me but I here it is coming for job 2 of the 12 models. Dealer said I don't have to take this truck, and I won't if I can get a factory liner later. I never get in a hurry to spend 50K!
 
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I've heard that an eight speed transmission may be coming for the 2014 Expedition update but nothing else.

Then again, all one has to do is look at the current Raptor and you'll soon realize that many of those options will migrate into the regular F-150's.
 
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I am hoping for a 5.0 Ecoboost, and maybe a 6.2 3v (or 4v!). Maybe make the locker engageable in 2wd?
 
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I think the only way we will see a 5.0 ecoboost will be in the SD's. And that will only happen once the 6.2's are no longer competitive.

My guess, engine sizes will go down across the board in the future. the current 3.5L ecoboost will be the "big" engine, and there will be some ecoboost options below that, for the 1/2 ton anyway.

I think as soon as the CAFE requirements mandate it, the 5.0 may see direct injection as a last ditch effort to meet CAFE standards, but eventually all v8's will be moved up to 3/4 ton land, and the options for the 1/2 will be 3.5L ecoboost and down.
 
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I think the only way we will see a 5.0 ecoboost will be in the SD's. And that will only happen once the 6.2's are no longer competitive.

My guess, engine sizes will go down across the board in the future. the current 3.5L ecoboost will be the "big" engine, and there will be some ecoboost options below that, for the 1/2 ton anyway.

I think as soon as the CAFE requirements mandate it, the 5.0 may see direct injection as a last ditch effort to meet CAFE standards, but eventually all v8's will be moved up to 3/4 ton land, and the options for the 1/2 will be 3.5L ecoboost and down.
I'm not sure what will happen with V8's and 1/2 ton's in future. Anything is possible really. Check this article out...Its about a 40mpg F-150 with a non electric hydraulic lanch assist hybrid powertrain that is being worked on. The F-150 being tested is using the less efficent 4.6L 3v V8.

Ford F-150 Used to Develop 40 MPG Hydraulic Hybrid Powertrain - PickupTrucks.com News

On the subject of 2013 updates...I don't honestly expect to see to much. I know the front end will be getting an update and possibly the interiors will get refreshed as well. But I doubt will be seeing any major powertrain/drivetrain updates until the 2014 or 2015 full redesign.
 
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I personally hope they keep Di off the 5L mod motor, I'm not sold on Di reliability. I'm still not sold turbo reliability. (I've owned two turbo'd vehicles in the past)

I think an OEM dual exhaust setup out the back like what the Dodge trucks come with (Only thing I like about the Ram) would look great on the 150.
 
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I personally hope they keep Di off the 5L mod motor, I'm not sold on Di reliability. I'm still not sold turbo reliability. (I've owned two turbo'd vehicles in the past) ...snip...

and yet everyone raves about the longevity of the diesle platform, which uses both DI and turbos,

Im not pickin' on ya ... just making a general observation.

Besides which, DI is a forgone conclusion for the 5.0 and 3.7. It was designed ("protected") into both platforms from the start, it is just not being implimented. DI is comin' ... just a matter of time.
 
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Originally Posted by tseekins
I've heard that an eight speed transmission may be coming for the 2014 Expedition update but nothing else.

Then again, all one has to do is look at the current Raptor and you'll soon realize that many of those options will migrate into the regular F-150's.
Nothing from the raptor is coming to the F150, but the new 12 raptor is finally getting the heated and cooled seats, home link garage door system, and the backup sensors which are badly needed on any truck. All from the regular f150 line. And I wouldn't be surprised if the raptor doesn't receive a ecoboost of some kind before long, as that's what they run in the race versions. A 3.5 ecoboost. Go figure. The 6.2may be short lived as a 5.0 EB is in the works for the SD line, and would be a great choice for the raptor.
 
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Considering the MPGs of the EB vs. the 5.0... it makes me wonder if the fuel mileage would be pretty similar between a 3.5 EB that's running harder and a 5.0 EB that's just loping along - assuming the driver could keep his or her hoof off the fun pedal...

An F150 with a 5.0 EB would be incredible. Considering the 3.5EB adds 37% HP (265>365) and 68% torque (250>420) over it's NA, IDI 3.5L cousin... similar percentages would have a 5.0EB around 493hp and 638lb-ft, or 80hp and 200lb-ft over the 6.2L, putting it not that far from the 6.7L PSD's territory.
 
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Considering the MPGs of the EB vs. the 5.0... it makes me wonder if the fuel mileage would be pretty similar between a 3.5 EB that's running harder and a 5.0 EB that's just loping along - assuming the driver could keep his or her hoof off the fun pedal...

An F150 with a 5.0 EB would be incredible. Considering the 3.5EB adds 37% HP (265>365) and 68% torque (250>420) over it's NA, IDI 3.5L cousin... similar percentages would have a 5.0EB around 493hp and 638lb-ft, or 80hp and 200lb-ft over the 6.2L, putting it not that far from the 6.7L PSD's territory.
I think an Ecoboosted 5.0L would be an awesome engine to! But it would most likely be de-tuned to some degree. 493hp and 638lb/ft of torque seems waayyyyy excessive in the F-150...Mostly the horspower. But I have to admit, my mouth waters at the idea of a 500hp daily driver as ''impracticle'' as that sounds.

But yeah, I'm 90% sure that we will see an Ecoboosted 5.0L in the future, but I'm not so sure that we will see it in mainstream model F-150's such as the XL, XLT, FX4's or Lariats. I suppose anything's possible, but I think a Twin Turbo 5.0L will be aimed more at performance vehicles, a fitting replacement for the 6.2L in the Harley Davidson F-150's. I also have heard alot of talk that Ford is working on a Twin Turbo D.I 5.0L for use in the Superdutys.

But who knows...Alot of people speculate that the 6.2L V8 is living on borrowed time, but others seem to think that we have only just begun to see what its capable of. Only time will tell.
 
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I think an Ecoboosted 5.0L would be an awesome engine to! But it would most likely be de-tuned to some degree. 493hp and 638lb/ft of torque seems waayyyyy excessive in the F-150...Mostly the horspower. But I have to admit, my mouth waters at the idea of a 500hp daily driver as ''impracticle'' as that sounds.

But yeah, I'm 90% sure that we will see an Ecoboosted 5.0L in the future, but I'm not so sure that we will see it in mainstream model F-150's such as the XL, XLT, FX4's or Lariats. I suppose anything's possible, but I think a Twin Turbo 5.0L will be aimed more at performance vehicles, a fitting replacement for the 6.2L in the Harley Davidson F-150's. I also have heard alot of talk that Ford is working on a Twin Turbo D.I 5.0L for use in the Superdutys.

But who knows...Alot of people speculate that the 6.2L V8 is living on borrowed time, but others seem to think that we have only just begun to see what its capable of. Only time will tell.
Considering that we've known for a while that the next F-150 design change will net a slightly smaller and lighter truck, I seriously doubt that a larger displacement EB engine will be needed. But it would be cool none the less.
 
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Considering that we've known for a while that the next F-150 design change will net a slightly smaller and lighter truck, I seriously doubt that a larger displacement EB engine will be needed. But it would be cool none the less.
I know Ford is aiming to get the F-150's weight down to help it meet the fed fuel ecomny standerds. But I'm not sure that the trucks overall size has all that much to do with it. I think one of the main reason's the F-150 got heavier in the past 8 years is because of the chassis re-enforcements that went into the 2004+ model years. And the fact that much more is standerd now than was 20 years ago, as we know more standerd equipment leads to heavier inital curb weight on all trucks. 2003 was the last year model for the lighter F-150's. And even they were heavier than the 1980-1996 F-150's they replaced.

I know Fords been considering using magnisum instead of high strength steel as a replacement metal for the frame and various other components. If I remember reading correctly, they were speculating that the could lose almost a 1,000lbs in avarage weight by doing this.

But in any event...If the truck does infact get an inch or a few inches narrower then it'll make it more garage friendly.
 
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Besides which, DI is a forgone conclusion for the 5.0 and 3.7. It was designed ("protected") into both platforms from the start, it is just not being implimented. DI is comin' ... just a matter of time.
What about DI on the 6.2? I thought Ford already included bosses in the existing head design to accommodate direct injectors. Would DI be coming to the 6.2's in 2013 or not likely until the major redesign for the 2015 model year?

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The 6.2may be short lived as a 5.0 EB is in the works for the SD line, and would be a great choice for the raptor.
Really? I don't follow the SD forums or news, so I didn't know an EB 5.0 was in the works. When is it expected?

And would Ford really abandon the 6.2 altogether that soon, after it was just released as an "all new" motor not too long ago?
 
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