Redhead steers too easy
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Redhead steers too easy
I replaced my worn steering box with a redhead box. Replaced steering shaft with borgeson shaft, replaced trunion bearings, and all ball joints, and went from a 33 12.50 to a 35 13.50 tire. Still need to replace leaf spring bushings, but everything else is new. Also went to a dual skyjacker stabilizer. The problem is, it just flat steers tooooooo easy now. It's actually hard to drive, because if I hit a bump, and my hand moves, the truck turns. I sent an e mail to red head about it, but haven't heard back yet. Just wondered if anybody knows how to make the steering a little stiffer.
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Heidts offers an adjustable power steering valve to dial in your preferred amount of assist. The hot rod crowd uses 'em all the time due their lightweight vehicles. One source is www.yogisinc.com.
PN PS-101....$85.
PN PS-101....$85.
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I agree with moonley. It needs more caster. Has the truck been lifted? If so, take a look at your top and bottom ball joints. Caster is the relationship between the centers of the ball joints (If you drew a line center to center from the top ball joint to the bottom.), and the ground. If that line (when the truck is sitting level) is perpendicular to the ground, that would be 0*, if the top ball joint is slightly in front of the bottom ball joint, that is positive caster. Slightly behind is negative caster. For a truck to not feel squirrelly on the road, caster needs to be set in the neighborhood of -4* to -7 *. Anything smaller than -7 (ex -8) and the steering becomes 'heavy'. Anything more than -4 (give or take) and the steering becomes 'light'.
If your truck is lifted, degree bushings can correct this pretty good. If its lifted very high however (at least for your pinion to remain working at an acceptable level0, you have to cut the welds securing the cs the ball joints press into off, and rotate the c's to the right caster. The latter is a lot of work.
The other simple alternative would be to install radius arm drop brackets.
And by the way I am completely assuming this has a coil spring setup.
If your truck is lifted, degree bushings can correct this pretty good. If its lifted very high however (at least for your pinion to remain working at an acceptable level0, you have to cut the welds securing the cs the ball joints press into off, and rotate the c's to the right caster. The latter is a lot of work.
The other simple alternative would be to install radius arm drop brackets.
And by the way I am completely assuming this has a coil spring setup.
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I agree with moonley. It needs more caster. Has the truck been lifted? If so, take a look at your top and bottom ball joints. Caster is the relationship between the centers of the ball joints (If you drew a line center to center from the top ball joint to the bottom.), and the ground. If that line (when the truck is sitting level) is perpendicular to the ground, that would be 0*, if the top ball joint is slightly in front of the bottom ball joint, that is positive caster. Slightly behind is negative caster. For a truck to not feel squirrelly on the road, caster needs to be set in the neighborhood of -4* to -7 *. Anything smaller than -7 (ex -8) and the steering becomes 'heavy'. Anything more than -4 (give or take) and the steering becomes 'light'.
If your truck is lifted, degree bushings can correct this pretty good. If its lifted very high however (at least for your pinion to remain working at an acceptable level0, you have to cut the welds securing the cs the ball joints press into off, and rotate the c's to the right caster. The latter is a lot of work.
The other simple alternative would be to install radius arm drop brackets.
And by the way I am completely assuming this has a coil spring setup.
If your truck is lifted, degree bushings can correct this pretty good. If its lifted very high however (at least for your pinion to remain working at an acceptable level0, you have to cut the welds securing the cs the ball joints press into off, and rotate the c's to the right caster. The latter is a lot of work.
The other simple alternative would be to install radius arm drop brackets.
And by the way I am completely assuming this has a coil spring setup.
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I just heard back from Harvey at RedHead today. He said if I wanted to send it back to him, they could install a heavier valve in the steering box.
Also, yea it's a 250. "Leaf springs". That's another issue. It is lifted some. It was originally a camper special, so I put on a rancho 4" suspension lift. Now that my bushings are getting worn, I'm having trouble locating new bushings for those springs. Rancho discontinued them, and can't even tell me what size I need. I did take one out and measure it though, so I've got some dimensions to go by.
Thanks for the tips. Might want to try the camber idea. Be easier than sending my box back to RedHead, then waiting to get it back.
Also, yea it's a 250. "Leaf springs". That's another issue. It is lifted some. It was originally a camper special, so I put on a rancho 4" suspension lift. Now that my bushings are getting worn, I'm having trouble locating new bushings for those springs. Rancho discontinued them, and can't even tell me what size I need. I did take one out and measure it though, so I've got some dimensions to go by.
Thanks for the tips. Might want to try the camber idea. Be easier than sending my box back to RedHead, then waiting to get it back.
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Caster is what you want, don't get it confused with camber.
You can also correct caster up to 1.5 degrees (more than you think, magnified by larger tires) by inserting caster correcting bushings. Moog part number for the 1.5 degree bushhings is K936. Here is a link if it works (says Dodge but is the same for all Dana 44): 1983 DODGE W350 PICKUP Caster / Camber Bushing These will add or remove caster/camber without affecting pinion angle.
You can also correct caster up to 1.5 degrees (more than you think, magnified by larger tires) by inserting caster correcting bushings. Moog part number for the 1.5 degree bushhings is K936. Here is a link if it works (says Dodge but is the same for all Dana 44): 1983 DODGE W350 PICKUP Caster / Camber Bushing These will add or remove caster/camber without affecting pinion angle.
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I agree with moonley. It needs more caster. Has the truck been lifted? If so, take a look at your top and bottom ball joints. Caster is the relationship between the centers of the ball joints (If you drew a line center to center from the top ball joint to the bottom.), and the ground. If that line (when the truck is sitting level) is perpendicular to the ground, that would be 0*, if the top ball joint is slightly in front of the bottom ball joint, that is positive caster. Slightly behind is negative caster. For a truck to not feel squirrelly on the road, caster needs to be set in the neighborhood of -4* to -7 *. Anything smaller than -7 (ex -8) and the steering becomes 'heavy'. Anything more than -4 (give or take) and the steering becomes 'light'.
If your truck is lifted, degree bushings can correct this pretty good. If its lifted very high however (at least for your pinion to remain working at an acceptable level0, you have to cut the welds securing the cs the ball joints press into off, and rotate the c's to the right caster. The latter is a lot of work.
The other simple alternative would be to install radius arm drop brackets.
And by the way I am completely assuming this has a coil spring setup.
If your truck is lifted, degree bushings can correct this pretty good. If its lifted very high however (at least for your pinion to remain working at an acceptable level0, you have to cut the welds securing the cs the ball joints press into off, and rotate the c's to the right caster. The latter is a lot of work.
The other simple alternative would be to install radius arm drop brackets.
And by the way I am completely assuming this has a coil spring setup.
If the top ball joint is behind the lower, it is positive caster, and causes the wheels to gain negative camber as they turn. in doing so it helps the front tires return to center, while zero caster will let the tire spin freely around the axis, and negative caster will make the tires act as if they want to fall on their sides
its been a few years since i looked at my highboys alignment specs, but if memory serves me right, it was calling for 6 degrees positive caster.