Hey fellas,
I've done a bit of research, but I have a few questions to firm up with the FE experts
Tomorrow I will go scrape the block and heads and get some casting numbers to verify everything...but here goes.
The engine is coming from my '65 F350 2wd truck. It's got a cast iron bellhousing with a NP435 behind it. The oil pan is a front sump.
It's a remanufactured engine, so I will get the casting numbers to deinetly verify, but the engine mount setup is like the older FE's...1 mount under the timing cover and 2 in the bellhousing. There are no mount threads on the sides of the block.
Here's where I'm gonna get flamed...the engine is going into our 84 Jeep CJ7
The Jeep engine is blown, and this 352 is sitting in the broken F350 doing nothing with just 16k miles since purchase of the new engine.
I've determined I need to find a rear sump oil pan. But what about the oil pump? Is the oil pump the same, just the pickup is different? So I could just order a pickup from a 73 Highboy wth a 360 kind of deal...that would be sweet.

Also...it's been a while since I last read about the 352 into 390 threads. The way to make a 390 using a 352 block is to run a 390 crank and rods correct?
The FE is simply an amazing engine that will run circles around my daily driver IDI diesel...and it should work well in the Jeep, or should I say Feep? The torque at idle isn't as much as the 6.9 diesel, but I think the 352 FE has a lot more torque when you step on the gas and run it thru the RPM range! And ya know...just in case someday I feel like the 352 needs to become a 390.

Thanks guys!

 

Hey I've got no problems seeing something else with Ford power...just not vice versa lol. You'll definitely need the rear sump oil pan, which can be hard to find sometimes. I'm not sure about the oil pump stuff as I've always done the oiling mods when I have one apart and use the MellingHV57 pump and the pickup for whatever pan I'm using.

To turn a 352 into a 390 you'll need to bore the block .050 over. (352=4.0", 360/390/410=4.05")
390 crank, rods, and pistons in this case. Many 360s also came with the flat top 390 pistons as well.

I'm sure someone will chime in with the pump info soon.

 

There is nothing older inre to FE's (including 1958/64 Passenger Cars) that use these types of engine mounts. 1965 was the first year an FE (352) was installed in F100/350's.

The only FE's that used this set-up were 1965 F100/250 352 4WD & F350 / 1966 F250 352 4WD & F350, but...

Even though they mount differently, the blocks are the same as all other 352's used in 1965/66 F100/250's, 1967 F100/350's and 1965/67 Galaxie/LTD's.

All FE engines, regardless of what installed in, have threaded holes in their blocks for R/L rubber insulators. 1958/64's have a different bolt pattern than 1965/76's.

Without threaded holes in the block for R/L rubber insulators, you have an FT engine from a 500 and larger series truck...most likely a 330 2V Medium Duty that uses the 352/360 crankshaft.

FT blocks do not have threaded mounting holes at the right/left sides for rubber insulators, because none use these parts.

The FT engines mount similar to what these specific 1965/66's do, and similar mounts were used in 1958/64 2WD/4WD 292's.

 

Bill I hate to disagree with you but FT's have the motor mount bosses the same as FE's. I have 6 FT's in storage 391's 361's & 330's all have side mount bosses.

Have a great day-----Hotwrench

 

I'm willing to bet that 2wd F350 is a chassis-cab (think about it...).

Does it have a pickup bed or some other utility bed on it?

 

I didn't say anything inre to FT engines having engine bosses...or not. My comments had to do with lack of threaded holes in FT blocks.

Looking thru the 1964/78 truck parts catalogs, I don't see any R/L rubber insulators listed for FT engines.

What FE engine does not have threaded holes in engine blocks used for R/L rubber insulators?

None that I ever seen. or heard of. The only engines I've seen without threaded holes are FT engines, because none use R/L front rubber insulators.

Whether the F350 is a Cab & Chassis or not, has nothing to do with threaded holes in engine blocks, because every FE has them.

As I said, the 1965/66 F350's use the same mounting set up as 1965 F100/250 4WD, 1966 F250 4WD, but the same 352 engine block was used 1965/67 in F100/350's...and Galaxie/LTD's.

There is no such thing as an F350 with 4WD until 1979, so all 1953/78's are 2WD.

 

Bill, I have two tow trucks with FT's in them. One is a 361, and the other is a 391. Both FT's (73-74) Both have side mounts just like the FE's................

 

I'm not gonna debate this issue any longer, especially with two moderators. I'm tired, have been on FTE for over 7 hours...so I might lose "my cool."

Since you & I have spoken on the phone, you know how wound up I can get!

However, please explain why the OP says the engine is his truck does not have threaded holes for R/L rubber insulators.

Are they covered up with grease, or is the OP making a mistake? If there are no threaded holes, what type of engine does his truck have?

All we know so far is that it's a rebuilt engine from lawd only knows what.

btw: Since you have parts catalogs, take a look...see if you can find any parts catalog pics that show an FT engine with R/L front rubber insulators.

I don't see any such thing. No parts catalog listing in texts, no illustrations of such a setup. All I see is one front upper center (TFAA-6038-A) insulator and one front lower center (TFAA-6039-A) insulator.

Same set-up as the OP's '65 F350 352, and...the same part numbers.

 

Curiouser and curiouser... Interested to see how this pans out.

 

Good news, I'm an idiot!!
I do have threaded holes for the side mount engine mounts. I didn't see them on a quick look back when I couldn't get under the truck. The exhaust manifold was in the way to actually see them from above. I was able to move the truck and crawled underneath and snapped some pictures.
I'm on lunch break, so I don't have much time...but I get get a number off the drivers side head near the second spark plug. C6AE-R
And the intake manifold had C5AE9425B.
I'll spend some quality time with my flashlight tonight and see what the block casting is.





1978 Chevy Dana 44 front axle was installed as an attempt to get back on the road after the 2wd front had issues. Here's a good shot to show the clearance issues with a 2wd oil pan.


Drivers side


Passenger side, the rubber line is for my tank-type heater for those easy winter cold starts. Instant heat and easy to start!

 

hahaha You almost started a war. I can almost see your block casting in the photo of the passenger side. That ***E-A is it.

I can't seem to locate my C6AE-R numbers so I won't bother with posting some BS lol. I leave that task to someone else.

 

Looks like an FT to me, especially that pan.

Could you post some pics of the exhaust manifolds when you get a chance?

 

That would mean that he would have to have an entire FE top end then if he has C6AE-R heads right? I know the FE heads don't play nice with FT logs, intake too?

 

Dunno, that's why I'm asking about the exhaust manifolds

 

These are stock manifolds, came right off the original 352 when we replaced it with this reman.





When it went in...this might be the best shot I have of the passenger side manifold.


And this is before it went in.








And my camera batteries died before I got a picture of the drivers side. I'll see about finding some other batteries, and get that picture also.

Block casting from the passenger side was upside down and reads: C6ME-A