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Old 01-19-2011, 08:37 PM
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AMEN!!!!!someone else who speaks the truth, and that's what its all about, liability and assuming risk, car makers would have an enormous liability if 20 years ago they were rating their trucks for what they truly knew they were capable of, they would be liable if they said a 97 f350 can tow 17000 lbs safely, then you didn't stop quick enough, and let's be honest guys when you think your going to get into an accident and you slam your brakes, you can never stop quick enough, you could sue them for negligence. I'd be willing to bet my former 08 f250 would have pulled 30000 instead od the 16700 she was rated for
 
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Well, this is the thing--at least as far as how I look at it. Us Americans aren't known for paying a whole lot of attention to written rules and guidelines. If Ford knows that a certain truck is capable of towing 10,000lbs., and they put that in the manual, you can rest assured that some Yayhoo is gonna use it to tow 15,000 lbs. So, they under rate what their trucks can do to cover their corporate azz.
 
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Old 01-19-2011, 08:53 PM
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I recall a guy with a HD F250 5.8L towing 24000lbs gooseneck with bobcat or something on it. he made a post about it too and said he had no issues. Course it was a HD F250, 4.10 gears and the 5.8L but still.
 
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There was never a question as to whether the 351 would do it, it will do it, its how well.....I had a friend once that had a 98 Chevy 3/4 ton 4x4 with a 350, he pulled a bulldozer on a 30 foot goose neck to fires when they needed it, grant you he said taking hills he was hammered in order to take the hill but it did it, problem you run into with 5th wheels is the amount of air that they catch it adds alot of resistance to the whole rig, so it would pull it but with all the additional air it will catch it will be straining.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate, the GVWR on my truck is 8800 lbs, so lets assume that my 89 F250 weighs 7000 lbs empty, what they are meaning when they rate these trucks is how much weight the truck will carry under its own breaking power, the tongue weight on that fifth wheel isnt going to be but 1500 lbs max, the trailer has its own breaking power so it really essentially isnt calculated in the total GVWR......food for thought
 
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Old 01-19-2011, 09:02 PM
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but gcwr is just that - combined weight rating - total of truck, trailer,cargo AND cargo in bed of truck. Just because it is a fifth wheel does not mean that you can exceed this rating. I have seen the dumb a--es that overload their rigs and the expect to do 90 mph onthe highway. NICE WRECK!! In answer to the original question - NO !! it is not safe to pull this load with your current ride !
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I agree with Duct tape, the total reason that manufacturers put the GVW at what they did is not what the frame would handle, not even what the motor would handle, its all about stopping what you have. I can tell you that I used to pull a 35' fifth wheel with 3 slides, grossed out at 14,000 lbs, with all my gear and water in the fresh water tanks, etc. My truck handled it fine, and stopped it fine, however I was pulling with a 2008 Ford F250 with the 6.4L powerstroke. But my truck was rated for 16,700 lbs pulling from the bed, thats the other thing that everyone hasnt taken into consideration, the 13,000 lbs that your truck is showing to be rated for, thats pulling from the receiver, or bumper depending on your set up, fifth wheel towing will allow you to pull a heavier trailer because your pulling from over the axles and not the rear of the truck, you could possibly safely pull your fifth wheel because it is a fifth wheel and not a travel trailer, the old books that came with trucks just gave a total trailer weight, they didnt differentiate from fifthwheel to bumper pulling, and there is a difference and no one who has ever pulled anything can argue that point.
I will tell you that I agree with everyone on the motor, while the 351 was a good motor and was tried and true, I have a feeling your going to hook onto your trailer for the first time and the first small hill you approach and the accelerator is on the floor and your doing a max speed of 35mph till you top it, you will park it and get something with some bigger *****. I love diesels, if your going to pull somethihg that heavy you should really think about getting one, you can pick up a late 90's with a 7.3 for decent money. What your going to gain is more efficient towing, better fuel mileage and longevity from the engine. I have pulled with big block gassers and diesels and from experience I can tell you the difference is night and day between the two.
Now, if your just going to the lake 20-30 miles from your house on the weekends and staying in your trailer and pulling it home on Sunday, you can put up with how it tows for that kind of usage, but if your considering hitting the open road and seeing the country, take my advice, trade up, even if the payments are a little higher I assure you you will make up the difference in mileage. Grant you, my 6.4L never got any better than 7.5 mpg pulling my trailer, it was still better than the 5 I would have gotten from the V10 or 460. I have never owned a 7.3 but people I knew that had them said they would get 9-10mpg pulling a similar set up as mine. Food for thought, definately something to think about. There is nothing more discouraging than having that much weight and barely topping hills, you can almost hear the time ticking off of a gas motor with that much weight.
I would atleast consider it, but try your 351 and see how it does, you'll never know till you try.
 
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Here's a story that will get ya going. Before I start, I dont surround myself with idiots, I just run into them alot.
I am a heating and air contractor, 2 years ago I had to meet a roofing contractor to look at a job with me and give me a price on roof repairs that would be needed after I set a new unit, he pulled up in a 07 Dodge 1 ton with the 6.7L cummins, at that time my dad was running the same engine and I asked him how he liked it, of course typical cummins guy, according tohim it was the greatest thing since sliced bread blah blahblah. He proceeded to tell me that they have to run 1 ton trucks with 4x4 and cummins and 6 speed trannies because of the weight they pull, he said one time he pulled a load of shingles to the dump, he said he had to start it off in 4L in order to get it started, it had a freaking cummins 24Valve in it, if you have to start a rig in 4L with a diesel to get it moving............your way heavy, he said when he pulled off the scales after he dumped he had 30,000 lbs of weight in just what was in the trailer, not calculating the truck and trailer, just in materials...............hows that for not too bright.
 
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Anyone dumb enough to go 90 mph pulling a trailer, whether his truck is rated for its weight or not, deserves whatever happens to him when he loses control of it. Even semis aren't allowed to go the same speed limit as vehicles that aren't pulling any weight, and semis are much better designed for pulling weight than any regular pickup truck.
 
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See it all the time here in Canada. People in too much of a hurry to get to campground for the weekend. Speed limit - 110Kph(70 mph) Average speed 130 (82 mph) Why hurry - if youv made reservation your spot will still be there. Also - no difference in speed limits here for big rigs or passenger vehicles.
 
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Yea thats a bit excessive...

But yea I find it funny people are looking for speed when it comes to towing. When I used to tow I would annoy the heck outta people because they didnt like being stuck behind the wrecker or flatbed going 55-60mph when they wanted to do 80+. Slow and steady wins the race, even if you do speed you will literally make it there maybe 5-20 mins faster depending on distance. Leave more time and you would be fine inthe first place imho.
 
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