EcoBoost upgrades.
#61
Go ahead guys. I am telling you that ecoboost is a gimmick and when you pay $30 a quart for that overrated synthetic oil and premium gas you remember I said so. When that worn out engine hits 100K like all 4 of my last ford trucks did and you are looking at burned out turbos and extreme high repair bills, just come back to the forum and call me more names. Unlike many of you I have driven just about every make of car and you do not put turbos on a work engine as in a truck. You will find out the hard way just as I did with my Turbo Supra, my Twin Turbo Rx7, my Turbo Laser and my Turbo Kawasaki. And its going to cost you out your ***.
#63
Go ahead guys. I am telling you that ecoboost is a gimmick and when you pay $30 a quart for that overrated synthetic oil and premium gas you remember I said so. When that worn out engine hits 100K like all 4 of my last ford trucks did and you are looking at burned out turbos and extreme high repair bills, just come back to the forum and call me more names. Unlike many of you I have driven just about every make of car and you do not put turbos on a work engine as in a truck. You will find out the hard way just as I did with my Turbo Supra, my Twin Turbo Rx7, my Turbo Laser and my Turbo Kawasaki. And its going to cost you out your ***.
Premium gas? Not required.
Burned out turbos at 100K? Highly doubtful.
Such bad luck with turbos, and you purchased 4 turbocharged vehicles? Brilliant.
NO TURBOS ON ENGINES MADE FOR WORK? (sorry, I couldn't stand to retype that brilliant piece of English composition that Fordication used in his post). OMGWTFBBQ!!!! Quick, someone call Cat, Cummins, International, Ford, MB, etc. and tell them that turbos on engines built for work are no bueno and should be removed immediately.
Sorry to tell you this... ignorance is fixable, but stupid is forever. You may make any assumptions regarding your position in this maxim at your will.
#64
Look guys. Just buy the 5.0. Your resale will be fantastic and no mods needed other than the one that keeps your foot off the pedal. I know this offends but putting a turbo v6 in a full size truck is absolute stupid. I could care less what Fords says or any other person says. A full size truck needs a v8 and it needs the torque and weght that comes with one. In fact, I can tell you now that if you buy the ecoboost engine in a supercrew fullsized ford you will have to keep the truck until its paid off to resale it. Period.
#65
If they had the exact same port design,compression,turbo,cam,injectors and programming the 7.3 would have more power. If you had a 6.0 powerstroke and added 2 more cylinders it will have more power, exact same internal components just more displacment. The dodge viper engine is basically a 360 with 2 more cylinders,much more power then a 360 could make on pump gas using the same components.
I have built many performance snowmobile engines, their is absolutly no replacement for displacement, if a smaller engine makes more power it is because it has more agressive porting,advanced timing or higher compression. Put that same setup on the bigger engine and the smaller engine gets toasted.
I have built many performance snowmobile engines, their is absolutly no replacement for displacement, if a smaller engine makes more power it is because it has more agressive porting,advanced timing or higher compression. Put that same setup on the bigger engine and the smaller engine gets toasted.
#66
Ahhh, someone came up with the difference. I never said that it had to be on equal level. Is the ecoboost twin turbo'ed? I only thought it had one.
But then again, how do you explain the difference with regard to the 7.3 and the 6.0? Those are pretty much equals and even the 7.3 had some advantages that the 6.0 didn't have and yet still came out low man on the totem pole.
But then again, how do you explain the difference with regard to the 7.3 and the 6.0? Those are pretty much equals and even the 7.3 had some advantages that the 6.0 didn't have and yet still came out low man on the totem pole.
#67
I cant wait to see what the aftermarket can provide for the ecoboost.
Being a turbo engine, i would be willing to bet that there is some serious power to be had from custom engine tuning, intercoolers, exhaust.
Maybe north of 400 hp and near 500 ft lb?
Could be interesting.
What kind of gains have they gotten out of the SHO?
Being a turbo engine, i would be willing to bet that there is some serious power to be had from custom engine tuning, intercoolers, exhaust.
Maybe north of 400 hp and near 500 ft lb?
Could be interesting.
What kind of gains have they gotten out of the SHO?
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It does have electronic controls for the wastegate, based on their media pamphlets anyway. Most newer vehicles you can get a little more umph just with tuning, however, that is probably where reliability is going to be questionable the most as we have yet to know how far Ford has pushed the engine with their tuning in stock form.
This is why there are a group of people that have actually detuned their trucks with 6.0s, as they feel Ford pushed the engine too much in stock form already.
This is why there are a group of people that have actually detuned their trucks with 6.0s, as they feel Ford pushed the engine too much in stock form already.
#69
Its likely they havent pushed it too far. 365hp is nothing for a 3.5L engine. This is going in their flagship truck so the last thing they want is to compromise reliability. I am sure you could push 450+ without much effort. There are guys running 400+hp on 2Liter nissan engines with no work so this isnt a stretch at all.
#70
Go ahead guys. I am telling you that ecoboost is a gimmick and when you pay $30 a quart for that overrated synthetic oil and premium gas you remember I said so. When that worn out engine hits 100K like all 4 of my last ford trucks did and you are looking at burned out turbos and extreme high repair bills, just come back to the forum and call me more names. Unlike many of you I have driven just about every make of car and you do not put turbos on a work engine as in a truck. You will find out the hard way just as I did with my Turbo Supra, my Twin Turbo Rx7, my Turbo Laser and my Turbo Kawasaki. And its going to cost you out your ***.
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#71
It does have electronic controls for the wastegate, based on their media pamphlets anyway. Most newer vehicles you can get a little more umph just with tuning, however, that is probably where reliability is going to be questionable the most as we have yet to know how far Ford has pushed the engine with their tuning in stock form.
This is why there are a group of people that have actually detuned their trucks with 6.0s, as they feel Ford pushed the engine too much in stock form already.
This is why there are a group of people that have actually detuned their trucks with 6.0s, as they feel Ford pushed the engine too much in stock form already.
#72
(oops, got a little long winded here. )
I’ve been driving my 2000 F150 for too long and it’s time for and upgrade. And knowing the potential and tune’ability of turbo charge motors, I’m excited about the EcoBoot motor. I was jazzed to see this thread. But, disappointed to see it devolve into a P’ssing contest between 6.2s and the EcoBoost.
The thread is called “EcoBoost upgrades”. I say we stick to that and ignore the rest. Sorta like that odd cuisine in the family, if you ignore him, he’ll go away.
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So to EcoBoost upgrades. I’m looking forward to what the aftermarket comes up with. Turbos are SO easy to get significant improvements out of with little investment, as compare to normally aspirated engines. As we all know, engines are essentially air pumps. Ease the flow of air coming and going and you gain performance. In a normally aspirated engine, we do this with performance air filters and exhaust mods. The same applies to a turbo, but turbos have additional pluming that other engines do not. I’m referring to the plenums that run from the air filter to the turbos to the intercooler to the intake manifold. This can be quite a network of tubing snaked about the engine compartment. And much like a cat-back system, if you ease the flow of air through that plumbing, you’ll increase performance. Address those three areas, cool air/filter kit, intake pluming and exhaust and I wouldn’t be surprised to see close to a 10% increase in performance, depending on Fords existing tuning. So that easing airflow. Then next step is increasing the volume of air. And that’s where the conversation, dollars signs and your imagination can go wild.
<O</O
<O</O
Turbos raise the efficiency of existing displacement by increase the air/fuel charge in each cylinder, more fuel and air, more power. In a normally aspirated engine we do this with valve train tuning, bigger valves, higher lift, longer duration, and LOTS of $$$. With a turbo charges motor you can do this two ways without ever cracking open the top or bottom end of the engine. One is by cooling the charged air coming out of the turbo. The second is by increasing boost.
<O</OTurbos increase air volume and oxygen density by compressing ambient air. Anyone that’s ever taken a physics class knows that when you compress air it heats up. This compressed hot air ads to the air pressure that would otherwise exist at ambient temperatures. Intercoolers are used to decrease the air temp. The more efficient the intercooler, the more air/oxygen you can get into the cylinders for combustion. For example, if the existing intercooler reduces the compressed air coming out of the turbo to, say, 200 degrees at 12psi, a more efficient intercooler might drop that to 140 degrees at 12psi; thereby forcing more oxygen at the same pressure/boost into the cylinders (boost pressure is measured post intercooler). As the ECM senses more oxygen in the cylinders it will provide more fuel producing more power.<O</O<O</O
Now to the pièce de résistance, BOOST PRESURE! You can go nuts here. As I think I saw mentioned earlier, boost is controlled by dump valves/waist gates on the air side of the turbo and bypass valves on the exhaust. Play with these and you can significantly increase power. Additionally, I’ve seen many in the European market, for example Audis, swap out the factory turbo for larger units and produce MASSIVE amounts of power.
<O</OFinally there’s the ECM. If the F150s ECM is as programmable as some of the others I’ve seen, this could be a really fun vehicle.
<O</OI’ll bet companies like Bully Dog will have something by the end of the year, if not the first of next.
<O</ONow where did my Ford A-Plan PIN and that order form go…..<O</O
I’ve been driving my 2000 F150 for too long and it’s time for and upgrade. And knowing the potential and tune’ability of turbo charge motors, I’m excited about the EcoBoot motor. I was jazzed to see this thread. But, disappointed to see it devolve into a P’ssing contest between 6.2s and the EcoBoost.
The thread is called “EcoBoost upgrades”. I say we stick to that and ignore the rest. Sorta like that odd cuisine in the family, if you ignore him, he’ll go away.
<O</O
So to EcoBoost upgrades. I’m looking forward to what the aftermarket comes up with. Turbos are SO easy to get significant improvements out of with little investment, as compare to normally aspirated engines. As we all know, engines are essentially air pumps. Ease the flow of air coming and going and you gain performance. In a normally aspirated engine, we do this with performance air filters and exhaust mods. The same applies to a turbo, but turbos have additional pluming that other engines do not. I’m referring to the plenums that run from the air filter to the turbos to the intercooler to the intake manifold. This can be quite a network of tubing snaked about the engine compartment. And much like a cat-back system, if you ease the flow of air through that plumbing, you’ll increase performance. Address those three areas, cool air/filter kit, intake pluming and exhaust and I wouldn’t be surprised to see close to a 10% increase in performance, depending on Fords existing tuning. So that easing airflow. Then next step is increasing the volume of air. And that’s where the conversation, dollars signs and your imagination can go wild.
<O</O
<O</O
Turbos raise the efficiency of existing displacement by increase the air/fuel charge in each cylinder, more fuel and air, more power. In a normally aspirated engine we do this with valve train tuning, bigger valves, higher lift, longer duration, and LOTS of $$$. With a turbo charges motor you can do this two ways without ever cracking open the top or bottom end of the engine. One is by cooling the charged air coming out of the turbo. The second is by increasing boost.
<O</OTurbos increase air volume and oxygen density by compressing ambient air. Anyone that’s ever taken a physics class knows that when you compress air it heats up. This compressed hot air ads to the air pressure that would otherwise exist at ambient temperatures. Intercoolers are used to decrease the air temp. The more efficient the intercooler, the more air/oxygen you can get into the cylinders for combustion. For example, if the existing intercooler reduces the compressed air coming out of the turbo to, say, 200 degrees at 12psi, a more efficient intercooler might drop that to 140 degrees at 12psi; thereby forcing more oxygen at the same pressure/boost into the cylinders (boost pressure is measured post intercooler). As the ECM senses more oxygen in the cylinders it will provide more fuel producing more power.<O</O<O</O
Now to the pièce de résistance, BOOST PRESURE! You can go nuts here. As I think I saw mentioned earlier, boost is controlled by dump valves/waist gates on the air side of the turbo and bypass valves on the exhaust. Play with these and you can significantly increase power. Additionally, I’ve seen many in the European market, for example Audis, swap out the factory turbo for larger units and produce MASSIVE amounts of power.
<O</OFinally there’s the ECM. If the F150s ECM is as programmable as some of the others I’ve seen, this could be a really fun vehicle.
<O</OI’ll bet companies like Bully Dog will have something by the end of the year, if not the first of next.
<O</ONow where did my Ford A-Plan PIN and that order form go…..<O</O
#74
#75
Nobody's tuning anything from Ford that's turbocharged until Bosch's encryption is broken.
Ford got fed up with the idiots and fraudulent warranty claims, so they locked down the software on the turbocharged vehicles for 2011.
You can thank the owners of 6.0L PSD's and turbocharged SHO's that have be defrauding Ford through warranty claims on modified vehicles for this. I'm surprised that they didn't lock down ALL of them PCM's across the board.
JL
Ford got fed up with the idiots and fraudulent warranty claims, so they locked down the software on the turbocharged vehicles for 2011.
You can thank the owners of 6.0L PSD's and turbocharged SHO's that have be defrauding Ford through warranty claims on modified vehicles for this. I'm surprised that they didn't lock down ALL of them PCM's across the board.
JL