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Old Apr 8, 2022 | 06:13 PM
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Cool 1st Blackstone Oil Analysis

I picked up my new F250 with the 6.7L PSD on September 24, 2021. I assume it came with Motorcraft 10W30 conventional oil. Around 1350-ish miles I took the truck in to the dealership and had them change the oil to the same, Motorcraft 10W30 conventional oil. (I had some Ford Pass points and figured I would just finish them out with the oil change.) Last week I changed the oil again to Rotella T6 5W30 full synthetic oil. At this point the truck was near 4700 miles total, so around 3300 miles on the oil. During the change, I captured a sample of the oil and sent that off to Blackstone Labs. Today I got that report back. I have included a link to the official report with the breakdown of the analysis with measurements of different elements and properties found in the oil. As well, here is the synopsis found in the comment section:

CHAD: The first sample for your Ford has elevated copper and silver, but we don't think either one shows trouble. This engine has only had maybe one other oil change, so copper is from lingering brass/bronze wear-in, and silver is likely soldering material. We'll just look for these areas to improve going forward. For reference, averages for the 6.7L PSD are based on about 7,000 miles. The oil maintained the correct viscosity, and there isn't any contamination present. Oil filtration kept insolubles low. Just check back next oil change for another look.
This is the first time I have ever had an oil sample analyzed, and to be honest, I don't know what it is supposed to look like. But, from the comment, it sounds like everything looks as it should for now. I will continue to send in oil for analysis as I do my changes, and I look forward to seeing how the different elements found in the oil trends. My next sample will be on the full synthetic oil, so it will be interesting to see how that looks too, but I imagine it will take another few samples before things start averaging out...

Also, FWIW, the majority of my driving is to and from work on a daily basis. This drive is just under 4 miles 1 way, through 6 red lights, so a lot of stop and go (unless I can hit all the green lights!) On occasion, we take longer trips, and (rarely so far) tow our 6000 lb GVWR camper. I do monitor my DPF% and when it hits 95-100% I enable the auto regen and go for a drive, letting the regen process complete, and my truck displays 0% after each time. I also monitor the EGT's and wait on the temps to get back to normal before shutting the truck off after a regen. And according to my Banks iDash, I have been averaging around 520 - 540 miles between regens, despite my short, stop and go driving habits. I fill up at the same Shell station every time (except for when I am traveling) and add Optilube XPD in every tank of fuel. According to the pump, the fuel is B20. (Also, after the next few tanks, I will be changing over to Hot Shots EDT and Better Diesel FBC - although, (based on a recent comment on another thread) I may wait until after my next oil sample to start the BD FBC to see how iron trends on the analysis.)

And if anyone is wondering, yes, I did choose to change the oil early with the mindset that I will get rid of the break in oil with all the metal contaminants, and like I mentioned above, to finish using up my FordPass points. I did also change the oil fairly quickly after that because I plan to change my oil from here on out at every 5k miles, so changing it when it was near 5k total will make it easier to remember and anticipate as I move forward. I also plan to stick with Rotella T6 5w40, assuming I can keep it stocked up....

So, has anyone else sent in their oil for analysis? Any comparisons out there with similar mileage, or on a brand new truck?
 
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Old Apr 8, 2022 | 10:24 PM
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I used oil analysis on my 2006...
now, I stick to normal oil change intervals except #2 I changed early. Because time to change was dropping fast after a 20 hour round trip at 77 or faster.
I think on extended oil changes, analysis is key. We do this on aircraft. But they have to work .
just my opinion..
I also used bypass oil guard filtering on the 06.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2022 | 07:07 AM
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Yeah, my *plan* is to change it at every 5k… but sometimes that may not happen... lol! I changed my second one earlier than I wanted because of a trip we had coming up and I figured I’d do it a little early instead of a little late. This means I will have a little over 5k on this oil if I do wait til 10k to do the next one. And we will be traveling much more in the near future so when we’re on the road I’ll just have to time it as best I can and I imagine sometimes that won’t fall like I want it too. So I figured I would start getting the oil analysis to have a base line, and see how it goes from there.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2022 | 07:55 AM
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Your numbers look fine for the mileage. My copper and silver were elevated as well at first. I did my 1st change at about 5k miles and have had UOA done since. I daily drive my F450 and occasionally tow up to 16,000. Haven't quite pushed the 11,000 mile interval Blackstone suggests, but I may next time just to see the results.


 
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Old Apr 9, 2022 | 08:46 AM
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Like @robert sloane , I used to do oil analysis on my prior truck. I ran that oil to 10K+ miles so analysis was helpful in gauging how far the oil could be run without risking engine issues. On my F-350 I'm doing 5K intervals because the truck is used mostly for towing and that puts it on the severe duty cycle. I still have Blackstone bottles and maybe I'll send one in, just for grins.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2022 | 10:00 AM
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Your numbers are actually lower than they should be on a new engine because you changed the oil already and dumped the initial metals from the oil pan. My engine didn't fully break in until somewhere around the 10k-15k mile mark as you can see from the drop in iron and copper.



Here are the first 6 oil changes on my 6.7l since it left the factory. I ran the Motorcraft 10w30 oil from the factory for the first 5k miles then switched to PBE 5W40 for every other oil change except for the two times it was in for the upper oil pan repair which the dealer uses Motorcraft 10W30. The 6th oil change was after the first upper oil pan repair so that's why we saw silicon in the oil.

 
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Old Apr 9, 2022 | 10:45 AM
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Just make sure copper and silver numbers start trending downward at your next analysis. They should.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2022 | 11:02 AM
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here was my first report with factory fill

 
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Old Apr 10, 2022 | 09:30 AM
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Anyone know why Silver is showing up in the newer engines when there was none present in the older engines?
 
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Old Apr 10, 2022 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirthawg2.0
Anyone know why Silver is showing up in the newer engines when there was none present in the older engines?
mine is 0 ppm silver for the last 2 samples, running Rotella T6 5W40
 
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Old Apr 10, 2022 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirthawg2.0
Anyone know why Silver is showing up in the newer engines when there was none present in the older engines?
One of the engine assembly techs is still looking for her jewelry.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2022 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by helifixer
mine is 0 ppm silver for the last 2 samples, running Rotella T6 5W40
I will be sure to watch both silver, and copper. I just changed over to Rotella T6 5W40 to, so looking forward to see what they look like from here on out.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2022 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirthawg2.0
Anyone know why Silver is showing up in the newer engines when there was none present in the older engines?
It says in the report that it's from a soldering material. Common uses are soldering coolant tubes, wrist pin surfaces, bearing surfaces, or other wear surfaces.
 
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Originally Posted by stryder
It says in the report that it's from a soldering material. Common uses are soldering coolant tubes, wrist pin surfaces, bearing surfaces, or other wear surfaces.
I read that as well, just wonding what they are using solder on in the new engines that they didn't on the other generations.

I'm sure there is more differences than I am aware of other than the steel pistons. Maybe rods and wrist pins are different as a result of the steel pistons?
 
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Got my second analysis in, and it sounds like everything is good! They stated that the viscosity is low, but that this may have been from this being my first oil change on a different oil, so some of the previous oil I guess could have brought the viscosity down a little... Here is the analysis that came with the sample tested:

CHAD: Your Ford did fine on Rotella oil. The viscosity tested a tad below grade, but that's likely just because the thinner oil from last time carried over. Spectral results look pretty good. The improvements in copper and silver can be attributed to brass/bronze wear-in and solder washing out -- these elements likely would've improved regardless of what oil you were running. Copper should drop into the average range within the next couple oil changes, and then maybe your PSD will start getting highlight free reports. Just check back next time to continue building trends.
Also, I have been using the Better Diesel FBC additive for almost 4000 miles on this oil analysis. I remember someone saying that this additive would increase the iron, and I see that mine went from 21 to 23, but to be honest, I don't know what the average actually is since this is still a pretty new truck... plus, I don't really know how the iron affects the engine and oil... I gotta figure all this out... but it didn't go up much, and it's still a bit under what the indicated average is, so I don't see it as an issue. Anyway, I am attaching a file to the analysis report if anyone wants to check it out...
 
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