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Well freight was 1295 on my 2018 so that's 600 bucks in 5 years...
Gas has gone up since then about 20%, diesel up over 30%.
Wages have gone up a lot since then, no idea how much though, but we all want to make more $ right, so the cost of goods and services goes up.
Add those two things and other factors and the ~30% increase is less than it should be unfortunately.
If you want a new truck you've gotta pay to play including freight.
I was thinking the same thing. my 2005 f-150 was $32,000 msrp. I think I got it for almost $7,000 under msrp. My 2022 f250 msrp was $59,600. So really not that bad since now I have a real truck compared to the f150
My 2005 6.0 Lariat had a 48K sticker, got it for 38k. Traded it in on a 2015 6.7 Lariat, that had a sticker of 63k, got it for 52k. But they were both "leftovers" at the end of the model year, and it was Ford offering the incentives. There's no need for incentives now. Got my 2022 6.7 Lariat 350 srw on X-Plan, and my 2023 450 Lariat will also be X-plan...to be built week of 20 Feb.
It stops when all you needy people that have to have the newest crap stops thats when. There is no sense in it. You can’t blame manufacturers and you would do the same if it was you in that position. Basically its lets see how far these dummies will go.
It stops when all you needy people that have to have the newest crap stops thats when. There is no sense in it. You can’t blame manufacturers and you would do the same if it was you in that position. Basically its lets see how far these dummies will go.
So what you're saying is it's never going back at this point then .
What a joke this mess has become. More than twice what it's worth and the reliability of getting delivery, can it be any worse.
It's like people somewhere are trying to crash the market. Curious as to what these 40k trucks being sold for 70k are going to be worth and how they are going to price them when we go through the next reset. Starting this thread to come back to the day that happens. When you need a truck of any kind right now, is it really any different than being stolen from being forced to pay. I've been robbed and the feeling of disgust isn't that different than having to go purchase a truck right now.
Trying to justify getting in a position of not needing one and about ready to sell the boat but have equipment and property to maintain. Used to could go with used but after paying 15K to have a complete 6.4 rebuild and it grenade after 4,500 miles. Guess bullet proofing doesn't mean grenade proofing?
Where does the money keep coming from to support all this inflation? It's a sad day when going to spend 70k plus on a new truck is the best option out there and has been for the past over 2 years now. Just can't bring myself to pay 50k for used trucks with over 100k on them and go through another engine issue.
Anyway, going to be Interesting to revisit this thread in 5 to 10 years and see what we've been through. Wouldn't be shocked if we don't fix the mail in elections, we're even allowed to own/drive trucks then if we're not deemed "essential". Curious to see what others crystal ***** have to say.
Where did you get your bullet proof work done? I've watched a few powerstrokehelp videos and he sure has nice trucks he sells for $32-$38k that have been bullet proofed.
It stops when all you needy people that have to have the newest crap stops thats when. There is no sense in it. You can’t blame manufacturers and you would do the same if it was you in that position. Basically its lets see how far these dummies will go.
Correct! If you keep paying I'll keep raising the price. Stop buying and using and you'll see the prices drop. What was the price of fuel during the pandemic with nobody driving/buying? Companies are making billions and billions in profit... All time records are being set. "You keep paying I'll keep raising the price".
Inflation and greed go hand in hand. This forum is filled with guys flipping trucks for all kinds of profit $$. The post above... "I flipped this truck for 23K profit". Think that that increases inflation or not? Hmmm....
There wouldn't have been a supply issue if every name was limited to 1 VIN.
Works for most situations, however what about someone with a business needing say 3-10 new work trucks. They weren't building fleet SD's for the most part in MY22 so what's someone like that supposed to do? Unfortunately there's not a silver bullet for every circumstance. If they were to do that the same people bitching about limiting to 1 would be bitching because Ford is only limiting to one. Some people like to bitch about anything no matter the side it benefits.
Correct! If you keep paying I'll keep raising the price. Stop buying and using and you'll see the prices drop. What was the price of fuel during the pandemic with nobody driving/buying? Companies are making billions and billions in profit... All time records are being set. "You keep paying I'll keep raising the price".
Inflation and greed go hand in hand. This forum is filled with guys flipping trucks for all kinds of profit $$. The post above... "I flipped this truck for 23K profit". Think that that increases inflation or not? Hmmm....
Making money should not be a curse. Actually it's the American dream! I never fault anyone for doing their homework and figuring out a way to make money. The hard way or the easy way makes no difference.
The poster that made 23k didn't FORCE anyone to buy it. He didn't hold a gun to someone's head and say hand over the money, they did it willingly and for that, they didn't do their homework and they deserve to loose money. Cant fix stupid.
saying someone shouldn't make money is communism, to control what people want to do. No one had to buy that truck and the 23k guy would be in the hole, but he took a chance. It takes money to make money and you have to have ***** to take the chance. Hence the American Dream at its best!
no different than me going to a garage sale or thrift store and buying something for $10.00 and bringing it home cleaning it up taking pics and list on eBay and selling for $300. If someone wants it bad enough they'll pay and why shouldn't I be rewarded for my knowledge and time and risk.
I paid $70,000 for my 2022 f450 lariat 4x4. I could have ordered a 23 model and got it for 73k, same truck, lariat value package. Rapid red, etc. All on how you spec it, mine looks like a 90k msrp king ranch, but its not. Also, more importantly who your order it with. I got $8,500 off msrp.
also, you have to order it and wait 6months to a year. If you buy directly off the lot then yes, you get screwed. I had 2 of the f450s below, I kept one and flipped the other. Mind you, I paid the same price for both. I sold directly 1 day later to kernersville dodge in NC, for a 23k profit, I think I got so high of a price (94k) for it because they thought it was a 90-100k msrp truck, after they bought it they asked me what the window sticker price was, when I told them they were shocked, and I think realized they ****ed up!. They tried selling it for 3 months then auctioned it off. I guess lost their ***, smart ford now has it and selling it for 3k more then I sold to kernersville for. Interesting to track it on ford pass.
My point here is you just have to know how to shop, some poor soul will buy my old brand new truck and have the same one I do but for 27k for then I paid, cry and say these truck prices are crazy, not fair, etc. But I waited 6 months, the guy who will buy mine waited a day or so. due to being lazy, lack of knowledge from laziness, or stupidity, which tend to run hand and hand. In reality I only paid 47k for my 22 f450 because I flipped the other, the covid game actually worked in mine and some others favor. Depends on what side of the table you want to play on, alot of folks love to play the victim side of things and come up with 1 million excuses.
My first car that I bought in 1971 was 69 Mustang and it cost $1800 and I earned $1.60 hour.
My first home in 1980 was on acre of land that I paid $23,000 for and a $80,000 home and because of Jimmy Carters interest, I was paying $1000 a month payment
In 2000 I bought my first Superduty. Ordered a Lariat which at the time included almost any option and it was $33,000 I had a $350 a month payment and paid extra so I paid it off in less than 3 years,
That was a very capable truck and I often thought as I ordered my 2023 truck, That maybe I should just ignore all the option and buy about the same truck. 250 hp. leather seats but no A/C No massaging, Normal headlights instead of LEDS, 16" wheels, 4 speed tranny,
Yes my 23 Platinum is basically 3 times the price of my 2000 truck. But so many more features. Heated and cooled seats, Even back seat is heated now that my kids are gone, 500 hp, 20" wheels, airbags, and I guess I've come to expect all those nice things in my trucks. But if money was tight, I could buy a XT gas engine truck for not a whole lot more than what I paid in 2000 and it's base standard features would not be too far off from what my 2000 Lariat had.
I'm not excited to pay $90,000 for my 2023 truck. but then an acre of raw land around here is now over $250,000 and developed 1/2 acre lots are selling for $350,000 It's all relative to everything else. Decide what options you need and order the truck the way you want it and pay for it.
Inflation and greed go hand in hand. This forum is filled with guys flipping trucks for all kinds of profit $$. The post above... "I flipped this truck for 23K profit". Think that that increases inflation or not? Hmmm....
Flipping products doesn't cause inflation. Printing trillions of phantom $ for plandemics does.
Flipping products doesn't cause inflation. Printing trillions of phantom $ for plandemics does.
The U.S. has been printing phantom $ since they left the gold standard decades ago. Debt has been increasing annually but always had a buyer because the U.S. paid the note. In the past 5 years the U.S. debt has been at a point where the holders of said debt dont feel comfortable doing so anymore. President Trump started to correct this, but didnt get far before he left office. We all know what the new guy did, reverted back to printing valueless currency and keeps increasing the debt.
Either way its been a long time coming and anyone rational knew interest rates below the S&P average return was going to end up sooner than later right where we are now. One's misfortune is another's fortune this day in age.
My first car that I bought in 1971 was 69 Mustang and it cost $1800 and I earned $1.60 hour.
My first home in 1980 was on acre of land that I paid $23,000 for and a $80,000 home and because of Jimmy Carters interest, I was paying $1000 a month payment
In 2000 I bought my first Superduty. Ordered a Lariat which at the time included almost any option and it was $33,000 I had a $350 a month payment and paid extra so I paid it off in less than 3 years,
That was a very capable truck and I often thought as I ordered my 2023 truck, That maybe I should just ignore all the option and buy about the same truck. 250 hp. leather seats but no A/C No massaging, Normal headlights instead of LEDS, 16" wheels, 4 speed tranny,
Yes my 23 Platinum is basically 3 times the price of my 2000 truck. But so many more features. Heated and cooled seats, Even back seat is heated now that my kids are gone, 500 hp, 20" wheels, airbags, and I guess I've come to expect all those nice things in my trucks. But if money was tight, I could buy a XT gas engine truck for not a whole lot more than what I paid in 2000 and it's base standard features would not be too far off from what my 2000 Lariat had.
I'm not excited to pay $90,000 for my 2023 truck. but then an acre of raw land around here is now over $250,000 and developed 1/2 acre lots are selling for $350,000 It's all relative to everything else. Decide what options you need and order the truck the way you want it and pay for it.
I guess you mean XL gas engine truck eh? A 2023 reg cab, zero option XL truck starts at 44k, that's a 46% increase which is pretty far from your 30k but granted in 23 years not a horrible increase. If you want to compare apples to apples a 2000 regular cab 2wd truck started at 20k.
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