Anyone seen the new Titan mirrors?
 

One one os the new commercials a Titan has mirrors like a Superduty F250 and is shown pulling a trailer with everyone singing in the background. It made me wonder how many people will go buy one of these trucks to pull something heavy thinking it is a heavy truck such as a Superduty diesel? Before you say they're not that many dumb people out there a guy I worked with thought a 4x4 would be worse than a 2wd without limited slip on snow because there would be more tires trying to slip around!!!???:-X24 What makes it awful is he really believed it and does not own a truck so he wasn't kidding. Yes, that is what I think will happen. Nissan will lure car people in thinking they have a monster of a truck when all they have is a 1/2 ton.

Well, then they should make a 3/4 and one ton Titan.

Yeah, Nissan sure stole those mirrors from Ford, no question there. I think it's rated to haul about 9k lbs so not up into the 3/4ton pickup range.

Nice to see you contributing... :-X24.....

I feel I always contribute :-X24

Hey, I wanted to get the Titan and one of the reasons was the mirrors. You should be asking why the F150 doesn't have towing mirrors with the tow package. They don't even have them as an option. I'm only planning on towing around 5K put I still need to see. I'm not sure yet what I'm going to do, my options are limited.

Unfortunately, mirrors don't make a great tow vehicle. Things like oil coolers, transmission coolers, powerful engines, Built Ford Tough transmissions, and great towing packages with trailer brakes make great tow vehicles. A buddy of mine decided he was going to try to keep up with the diesel pickups and pulled a 6,000lb boat at 75-80 mph about 100 miles or so to one of the local lakes. Between the drive there and back, he cooked his tranny (burned up two tanks of gas, too). The trans began slipping within a couple of weeks and completely went out on him. He had to get a rebuild. BTW, he has a 2000 Dodge Ram w/ the Magnum 360. The moral of this story is that there are people out there who will try to, and successfully, overwork a truck and then blame the manufacturer when it fails.

I noticed right away on the Titan that the mirrors are exactly like the super duty towing mirrors. I don't think even those mirrors can help its looks anyway, they are just one ugly truck!! I don't mind the Tundra though, wouldn't be a bad light duty truck. I'm just curious as to all the "upgrades" made between the Titan and Tundra, besides looks, I don't think one truck looks significantly bigger than the other. I spose another marketing gimmick, like Dodge, lure in folks that don't know what a truck really is and really used for.

I can't quite tell, but you do know that the Titan is a Nissan and the Tundra is a Toyota, right?
And the Titan definitely looks bigger than the Tundra to me.

Well heck, your user name must be rubbing off on me!! :-X24 Now that you mention it, you are right. Goes to prove my point, everyone and their mothers has a 1/2 ton truck out there, that it's not a competition on building a good quality truck that will last, but who can make the nicest and prettiest (not in the titan's case) truck that normal car drivers would want to buy so they can satisfy their inflated ego.

I agree that its more then mirrors and it will take time before anyone knows if the Titan will hold in the long run. But, they've done some things right.

Powerful engine, 5 speed transmission with a tow/haul mode standard, tow package that includes extendable mirrors, trans cooler, trans temperature gage, heavy duty battery, etc...

If you look at the engine HP and torque numbers and at the rpms that they occur at, there is a very close match to Fords 5.4.

I traded in my F250 Super Duty V10 for the 305 Titan Endurance V8. Just wanted to ask if any of you guys have had a chance to test drive one yet. I parked next to a diesel F250 V8 yesterday and noticed that I was a little taller. I guess he was only a 4x2.

If you remember right I was buying a 2004 F250 V10. It ended up being a sour deal with finance problems and major paint problems. Needless to say after 10 days it was given back to the dealer. The finance guy from Future Ford of Clovis is the one who really opened up my eyes and blew the deal.

Anyhow the bank came back and told the dealer that we needed to get into a lower priced truck. They couldnt get me into a 4x4 because they were trying to sell me at 12.9%. Nissan sold the Titan for 3.9%. Funny thing was - both dealers offered the same on the trade in value.

Anyways...Im not posting to stir up stuff. Just to ask if any of you guys have driven one yet. The Titan is powerful and fast. Also more agile than my old Super Duty.

Truckman

It's also a 1/2 ton truck compared to your Super Duty. They're not in the same class. I think Nissan has a good truck, but if you want to compare apples to apples it should be done with the F150. They have similar capabilities.

Yes your right - and in every test apples to apples the Titan has just smeared all competition. Say what you want...but its FAST! I traded in my V10 F250 for the Titan.

I didn't say anything bad about the Titan, so I don't know why you're suddenly out to smear Ford. The F150 still has the higher tow rating and if anyone honestly wants to tow that much weight they're better off with a 3/4 ton truck anyway.

Im not out to smear Ford. I love Ford trucks. Hell I love all trucks! I just hate Future Ford of Clovis and the finance guys there that screwed the deal. I filled out my customer survey asking to speak with the president of the survey division. They called last week...so I hope to tell them how bad this dealership is.

We drove the Titan and several Armada's. For sure nice trucks and very tempting but I wanted a 3/4 ton.

I traded my 01-Superduty V10 for a 04-Tundra double cab V8, like JohnsDiesel said, and I agree. If your going to be towing big stuff, get a 3/4 ton truck.

And if your towing for some distance, more then 5 or 10 times a year, a PSD maybe
somthing to look into.

Me? I was just ready for something different, and since I dont tow, or use a truck for work. You get the idea.

Titan....? its your truck! you must like it. Im just glad we all have more choices of trucks, IMO it would suck if we all drove the same thing.

So why do I keep coming back to FTE, even though I no longer own a Ford?
For the most part, least in the "SuperDuty" forum. The people check their Ego's at the door.

Yes I agree. Glad to know I am not the only one who loves trucks and realizes that there are other brands and choices. ...it was the dealers finance guy who told me I should go shopping. Thanks Mr. Garcia - I got a great truck!

So you "Agree", then you should also agree, that your in a Ford House (forum)
When in someone else's house, you dont disrespect it. Im talking about the other topics- NOT cool man...

Lets all start over.....Do Over!!!!....Do Over!!!!

If I were a rich man, I would have me one of each :p

Well with my experiences on this board. I am learning people cant talk specs, numbers and such. Its all about feelings and such. HAHA...

Not to mention the racial slurs for the Japanese. And people thinking it is built overseas when it is built in Mississippi.

truckman, you have been way out of line. I think the moderators of FTE have been very patient with you. I've seen people permanantly banned for less than you've done over the last 24 hours. If you don't respect FTE, its members, and the rules I can guarantee they will give you the boot.

Hey, for all you guys and the mods I just want to let you know I didn't try to start a flame war when I started this thread or base it on feelings. I felt that Nissan was being vauge about describing it's product in commercials and copying parts off more heavy duty trucks. This led me to believe many, and pardon the term, "yuppie boys" that have driven nothing more than a BMW or Mercedes car will buy this thing to try and pull a camper or other recreational product it wasn't meant to haul. All they say in the commercials are things like class leading power and to an inexperienced buyer they could think all trucks are in the same class seperating them from cars. Heck why not put a fifth wheel on the thing if you really want to trick people.

cbsaf, unfortunately this thread was hijacked by a Nissan fanatic. In case you haven't figured it out yet, it's nearly impossible to have any thread in this forum that doesn't go way off topic or turn in to a flame war. I'm sorry that this is how it is, but I think Tim and Carlene have really been working to clean it up. It seems a lot better than it used to be if you can believe that. :)

Do not worry about it; the fire was being fanned by one person.

Do not worry about it; the fire was being fanned by one person.

Lets hang-em by their toes :)

the one thing that i noticed about the titan singing comercial is they name a bunch of little magazines truck of the years where as the ford F150 owns the title of Motor Trend "truck of the year" one of if not the biggest auto mag in the U.S. just my observation.

That singing commercial, is only one step worse than Sprints new singing one, the worst in TV history….

Not sure what you mean by "little" but it has won:

2004 Pickup Truck of the Year, Four Wheeler Magazine, January, 2004
2004 Tow Vehicle of the Year, Trailer Boats magazine, March, 2004
"Most Significant Vehicle of the Year for 2004" Edmunds.com
"2004 Automobile Magazine All-Star for Pickup Truck"

As well as others. Not to bad for a first attempt at a full-size truck.

i think ive only seen one of those, do they carry them on news stands?

IMHO...Innovation is a great thing. Ford with it's all new F-150 thought it would own the 2004 market out right. Sales might show it on paper (not sure about that), however I believe Nissan made a big impact on the market. With past introductions like Toyota's T-100 and Tundra...Even Toyota saw that Nissan was coming fast and hard to the half ton truck line.

I am a FORD fan, however the new Titan is a very well done truck. I believe it is better than the F-150...although not by much. I base this on the powertrain and price. FORD needs more hp/torque especially since the new F-150 weighs more. Nissan really did price this truck to sell. So with either truck, an owner should be happy.

Just my .02
:-tap

IMO on price, Ford has run for so long at the top..they could get the price...now it might change just a bit
Toyota could dive in with a lower price and make a quick impact
That is good marketing and smart business, now matter what us Ford lovers think.

:-X22

I think you'll find Four Wheeler just about everywhere.

Let's not forget that the Titan also was first in the 2004 comparison of 1/2 ton trucks in Car and Driver, which I'm sure you heard of.

The point of the comment was, I think, that Nissan, while new, while not yet having a full line of trucks, no 3/4 ton, no 1 ton, limited configurations, had made a pretty nice splash with its first attempt.

I bought my Armada SUV because of those things, and love it, but I ain't about to get rid of my F-250 SuperDuty Powerstroke for the heavy stuff. Nissan is paying attention. Ford's too big to consider it a major threat to F-150 sales at this time, but we can all learn from each other.

I expect to see even better F-150's and Expeditions come out of the competition.

Yea, those great Titan mirrors may be a copy from the SuperDuty, but they ought to be on the F-150's and Expeditions and aren't there yet.

I don't think Ford is overlooking the competition. That's why the F150 was completely redesigned.

Nissan has taken more than just the Ford SD mirror, as an idea for making there so called truck, look at the frame, and much more. Bottom line, its Nissan junk, will it pull a load everyday, and pay for itself, will it work side by side with the big three???? Heck No, its a car with a bed....

Trailer life magazine had a comparison on all the trucks the Nissan beat the Ford F150 on All the test except the Ford was quieter in the cab.

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Now now... Nissan are fantastic trucks actually. I spent a while in African and the nissan patrol (unavailable in North America) was unstopable. There is no way a ford truck would survive the African roads for more than a year imo. Landrovers and nissans are the standard there and for good reason.

Forgot to mention the Toyota Land cruiser II. Now that sucker was tough! Too bad you cant get those supper rugged rigs here. Instead we keep getting more and more bs luxury trucks. Oh well...

To get this back to talk on the Titan's tow mirrors, they didn't officially steal them from Ford because Ford was not the first with the idea. In my travels I have noticed a few other companies offering similarly designed mirrors. Two companies for example are DaimlerChrysler and I think Volkswagen in Europe with their cargo vans. I own a Ford by the way.