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84&04 09-02-2015 08:10 PM

Pump Timing
 
Turned the pump up 4 flats, had no smoke while loaded, decided to try to gain a bit of power. Had nothing. Went up 2 more flats, all I have is gray brown black smoke, replaced fuel filter, common issue? Still gray, but now even less since the fuel filter... (Not looking for coal, but the girlfriends truck has higher miles, still puts a bit of black out)

113k rebuilt
Injection pump (13k)
Injectors (13k)
No noticeable oil or coolant loss
Compression 340-350
Lift pump (13k)

Always starts within 5-10 seconds of cranking with no glow plugs.

Lack of thermostat wouldn't cause the gray smoke would it?

I'm assuming pump timing... (No access to timing light currently, should I tilt pump?)

hairyboxnoogle 09-03-2015 08:18 PM

Thermostat could because it doesnt warm up. Put one in, you will either wipe the cylinders or overheat it. The fact that you got 6 flats out of it tells me something is weird, never got much more than 3 out of one. Sounds like a wore out pump. Timing wont cause lack of smoke, but should be in the neighborhood of 6-9ish BTDC via pulse adapter.

84&04 09-03-2015 08:20 PM

I was always assuming they backed it out for economy? I backed it out 2 flats and put it back in pretty sure it was only 3 flats just felt like more lmAo. I'm almost positive it'll go more

Macrobb 09-03-2015 08:21 PM

Honestly, with an old pump like this? adjust it a bit and see what feels the best. You won't be able to time it correctly with a light, because the timing curve will be off.
Just get it where it feels the best/has most power and call it good, while saving up for a new performance pump(chances are your pump is a crummy rebuild?)

hairyboxnoogle 09-03-2015 10:18 PM

Were you going in or out?

84&04 09-03-2015 11:28 PM


Originally Posted by Macrobb (Post 15617233)
Honestly, with an old pump like this? adjust it a bit and see what feels the best. You won't be able to time it correctly with a light, because the timing curve will be off. Just get it where it feels the best/has most power and call it good, while saving up for a new performance pump(chances are your pump is a crummy rebuild?)

it was supposedly replaced about 11k ago from the local IH dealer. The PO painted it so it's hard to tell what's what.


Originally Posted by hairyboxnoogle (Post 15617606)
Were you going in or out?

towards the radiator

hairyboxnoogle 09-04-2015 01:48 AM

no, were you turning the fuel adjustment screw in or out?

dropitlow88 09-04-2015 05:33 PM

toward the radiator would be in is my assumption.

bashby 09-04-2015 06:27 PM

Clockwise is in
counter clockwise is out

84&04 09-04-2015 06:30 PM

Hmmmmm.... So why did the smoke increase? Or are my truck and I just that retarded. Hahahaha

84&04 09-04-2015 06:33 PM

According to what I just read, clockwise is more fuel?

Macrobb 09-04-2015 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by 84&04 (Post 15619537)
According to what I just read, clockwise is more fuel?

Yes, you did it right. You should mess with the timing at this point to gain anything more out of it.

84&04 09-04-2015 07:11 PM

I guess I'm gunna have too lol.

But sadly it's going to have to wait. It's birthday celebrating time tonight! Thanks for your help guys! Especially you Macrobb! You've no idea how much easier you've made this!

The_Josh_Bear 09-04-2015 07:33 PM

Pump Timing
 
You're talking about the fuel screw inside the IP, under the triangular plate on the side, right? "Towards the radiator" makes me think you're adjusting the "torque screw" or whatever it's actually called, which is on the outside of the pump.

Macrobb 09-04-2015 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by The_Josh_Bear (Post 15619652)
You're talking about the fuel screw inside the IP, under the triangular plate on the side, right? "Towards the radiator" makes me think you're adjusting the "torque screw" or whatever it's actually called, which is on the outside of the pump.

Older trucks/pumps(Not sure the exact year, but it was after 88) didn't have a "torque screw". There's no real reason for the screw anyway except emissions, maby.


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