Need 5 speed trans help
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Need 5 speed trans help
Hi,
My name is Ashley and I have a 97 Ford Ranger, its a 5 speed, v6 with a 4.0. For some odd reason, it does not like to shift and the problem only seems to get worse as the day goes on. I had my clutched changed about 6-7 months ago, there is no grinding when i shift and it isn't whinning at all. Does anyone have an suggetions to what could possibly be the problem.....
My other question is why do they put ATF in a standard vehicle, that seems very odd to me.
-Thanks for all the help guys!!!!!-
My name is Ashley and I have a 97 Ford Ranger, its a 5 speed, v6 with a 4.0. For some odd reason, it does not like to shift and the problem only seems to get worse as the day goes on. I had my clutched changed about 6-7 months ago, there is no grinding when i shift and it isn't whinning at all. Does anyone have an suggetions to what could possibly be the problem.....
My other question is why do they put ATF in a standard vehicle, that seems very odd to me.
-Thanks for all the help guys!!!!!-
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Well, if U R sure your clutch is ok, there are mechanical poblems causing problematic shifting, but first be sure your clutch is bled well....
The real problem is that ford used to install M5OD R1 (LD) with 4.0 but 4.0 has good torque, and requires medium duty tranny, as result bearing play cause problematic shifting and exsesive synchro wear.
But before you rebuild tranny be sure remote shifting mechanics are OK.
Well, unfortunatly it is so difficult to find a good manual tranny gue in the USA.... I can diagnose tranny with 1 ride, less then a mile.
About ATF... M5OD is used in Europe too (Mazda E2200, Mazda B2200, some ford cars), but they use mineral engine oil ore 85W50 tranny oil. Runs silently, but shifts difficult when it is cold.....
The real problem is that ford used to install M5OD R1 (LD) with 4.0 but 4.0 has good torque, and requires medium duty tranny, as result bearing play cause problematic shifting and exsesive synchro wear.
But before you rebuild tranny be sure remote shifting mechanics are OK.
Well, unfortunatly it is so difficult to find a good manual tranny gue in the USA.... I can diagnose tranny with 1 ride, less then a mile.
About ATF... M5OD is used in Europe too (Mazda E2200, Mazda B2200, some ford cars), but they use mineral engine oil ore 85W50 tranny oil. Runs silently, but shifts difficult when it is cold.....
Cargo Master
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From: Tucson USA
when you changed the clutch did they change the slave and master cylinders? Also did they change out the pilot bearing? these 3 items cause the most problems in these transmissions.
make sure the master resevoir is full get the system bled by someone who knows what they are doing or research in the tech folders how it is done. Its not real rocket science but it is a definite PIA!
The ATF is used as it flows more freely than gear lube thus you can tighter clearances in the trans thus much less noise.
make sure the master resevoir is full get the system bled by someone who knows what they are doing or research in the tech folders how it is done. Its not real rocket science but it is a definite PIA!
The ATF is used as it flows more freely than gear lube thus you can tighter clearances in the trans thus much less noise.
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From: Denver
The most likely suspect for your symptoms is that the clutch needs to be bled. Its possible that it wasn't bled properly when changed, or that there is a slight leak in the slave cylinder that lets a little air in.
If you confirm that the clutch is disengaging properly, then its likely worn syncro blocker rings. These are the parts that make the input shaft either speed up or slow down to match the output shaft speed so you can shift. When they get worn, they don't do their job as well, and its harder to shift.
Also, new synthetic oil in the trans has helped ease shifting for many of us.
And, to clarify the type of oil question, please refer to the follwing viscosity chart - you will see that atf, 20 weight engine oil, and 75 weight gear lube are all basically the same viscosity. Ford uses atf in the states, because they have it at that station on the assembly line. They use gear lube in Europe, because most vehicles built there are stick, so that's what they have on the assembly line. Its really just about being easy at assembly time. They both do a fine job of lubricating the trans.
If you confirm that the clutch is disengaging properly, then its likely worn syncro blocker rings. These are the parts that make the input shaft either speed up or slow down to match the output shaft speed so you can shift. When they get worn, they don't do their job as well, and its harder to shift.
Also, new synthetic oil in the trans has helped ease shifting for many of us.
And, to clarify the type of oil question, please refer to the follwing viscosity chart - you will see that atf, 20 weight engine oil, and 75 weight gear lube are all basically the same viscosity. Ford uses atf in the states, because they have it at that station on the assembly line. They use gear lube in Europe, because most vehicles built there are stick, so that's what they have on the assembly line. Its really just about being easy at assembly time. They both do a fine job of lubricating the trans.
