Bell Housing ID
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Bell Housing ID
I hope this hasn't been covered before and you guys are sick of it.
I have a bell housing that I bought some time ago that I hoped would marry a T-98 to a 390. I know there is some question as to if this is possible and I get equal votes from both sides of the controversy. So for right now, I would like to find out exactly what I do have. The most positive thing I have is the casting number of C4TA-7505-D. I made a template of my 390 block to take with me looking. I also had the measurments of the T-98 bolt pattern. Both seem to match perfectly. From what I can tell, the depth is the same as the 292-T98 bell housing. It also has the mounting ears. The clutch fork is much heavier duty than most I have seen suggesting that it came from a heavier duty truck.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Rich
62 F-250
Rich
62 F-250
I have a bell housing that I bought some time ago that I hoped would marry a T-98 to a 390. I know there is some question as to if this is possible and I get equal votes from both sides of the controversy. So for right now, I would like to find out exactly what I do have. The most positive thing I have is the casting number of C4TA-7505-D. I made a template of my 390 block to take with me looking. I also had the measurments of the T-98 bolt pattern. Both seem to match perfectly. From what I can tell, the depth is the same as the 292-T98 bell housing. It also has the mounting ears. The clutch fork is much heavier duty than most I have seen suggesting that it came from a heavier duty truck.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Rich
62 F-250
Rich
62 F-250
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Bell Housing ID
Rich, I've seen the C4TA-7505-D bell on a 428 industrial motor like this one:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/sizeimage.php?&photoid=10895&.jpg
The bell you want is C5TA-7505-B like this one:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/sizeimage.php?&photoid=10896&.jpg
Are you sure the T-98 will bolt to the C4 bell? They seem to look different.
Barry
https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/sizeimage.php?&photoid=10895&.jpg
The bell you want is C5TA-7505-B like this one:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/sizeimage.php?&photoid=10896&.jpg
Are you sure the T-98 will bolt to the C4 bell? They seem to look different.
Barry
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Rich, the bellhousing that you gave the engineering number off of crossed over to part number C4TZ-7505-D and it shows to have been used in the following automotive applications:
(1)1964/F-B-C-N-T500/800 with a 330,361,391 with a 5 speed Clark 250,280,or 541 series transmissions.
(2) 1964/F-B-C-N500/750 with a 330,361,391 with a 435 New Process.
Hope that this helps, and I believe that Barry is correct in that you will need to use a C5TZ-7505-B bellhousing to mate the T98 Warner to your 390.
Bill
(1)1964/F-B-C-N-T500/800 with a 330,361,391 with a 5 speed Clark 250,280,or 541 series transmissions.
(2) 1964/F-B-C-N500/750 with a 330,361,391 with a 435 New Process.
Hope that this helps, and I believe that Barry is correct in that you will need to use a C5TZ-7505-B bellhousing to mate the T98 Warner to your 390.
Bill
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Thanks so much for the help and especially the pictures. The bell housing that I have deffinitly is like the one in the top picture. So now I am confused. The tranny that I have has a mounting bolt pattern much more like the pattern in the top picture using the top and middle hole on the right and of course the two holes on the left. I am fairly certain that the tranny is original, but the code say's it is a T-98. If the bolt pattern of the lower picture mates up to a T98, perhaps I have a different tranny. Time to get out the degreaser and pressure washer.
Just to let you know my plans, I want the power of the 390, but I hate to chop things up too much in case I ever want to atempt a restoration. Thus I would like to keep the bell housing mounting ears and corresponding cross member.
Rich
62 F-250
Just to let you know my plans, I want the power of the 390, but I hate to chop things up too much in case I ever want to atempt a restoration. Thus I would like to keep the bell housing mounting ears and corresponding cross member.
Rich
62 F-250
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OK, with a tiy bit of daylight left and new batteries in the flashlight I retrieved a bit more information. The casting on the drivers side of the tranny had this....
T98-1R
G.W.DIV
k-2
The current bell housing has TCAL-7505-B. THe mounting surface on the housing looks exactly like the C4 picture on top. As best as I could measure, the drivers side bolts are 4-7/8" apart and the pass. side holes are 2-7/8" apart froom the top to the middle hole. The bottom hole is covered by the tranny case but there is no evidence that it is used. I assume the original tranny on the C4 used these same holes as the bottom right hole is nearly plugged while the other 4 have clean but rusty threads.
The current clutch fork looks like the one in the C4 as well, at least on the outside.
Anyway, there is no way this tranny would bolt up to the C5 bell housing.
Rich
62 F-250
T98-1R
G.W.DIV
k-2
The current bell housing has TCAL-7505-B. THe mounting surface on the housing looks exactly like the C4 picture on top. As best as I could measure, the drivers side bolts are 4-7/8" apart and the pass. side holes are 2-7/8" apart froom the top to the middle hole. The bottom hole is covered by the tranny case but there is no evidence that it is used. I assume the original tranny on the C4 used these same holes as the bottom right hole is nearly plugged while the other 4 have clean but rusty threads.
The current clutch fork looks like the one in the C4 as well, at least on the outside.
Anyway, there is no way this tranny would bolt up to the C5 bell housing.
Rich
62 F-250
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