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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 06:48 AM
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Probably been beat to death but, Newbie here.


I have a 66 F100 SWB. I also have an 88 Lincoln Towncar that I want to swap the motor/transmission into the truck.
I saw the story here about using the Mustang engine and CrownVic parts.
It mentions the motor mounts but I didn't see anything about the transmission mount. Are they all the same? I realize the crossmembers would be different but, would the Lincoln trans mount work. (If it's good that is.)
I have a guy comming today to pull the engine out of the Lincoln and need to know what else to save.
Is the CrownVic stuff (listed in the article) the same as a Towncar?
Thanks, I'm looking forward to getting to know folks here and hopefully not be too much of a nusiance.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 08:10 AM
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whats in it now. I ask because if it's a six there is a possibilty of spring strength issues. I really wouldnt know so wont swear by it. I dont "think" a 460 is a straight drop in. Someone will know.. BOL document all you can for others crazy enough to try it LOL
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 10:02 AM
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I didn't make that clear, did I? The motor going in is a 302 the one coming out is a 351.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 11:29 AM
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Are you using the transmission from the 302 or 351? If they are the same transmission, everything will swap nicely.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 01:12 PM
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Jeff the stock V8 engine for your truck would have been a 352. There are 3 no less 351s. The M uses the same tranny as the 429/460, The C & W share the same small block bell pattern. The 352 has a round top and will not work with anything else but another FE.

Any idea which you are pulling?

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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 01:29 PM
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I want to use the trans that's in the Lincoln (302 engine)
The 351 was swapped in years ago by a p.o. and I haven't any Idea what trans is behind it. (other than it's a 3sp automatic)
So basically, pull the 351/trans out and put in the 302/AOD.
I don't know what version AOD the 88 Lincoln Towncar used.
I've been a...well...Let's just say I'm used to a different make engine/trans.
And learning the Ford stuff.
I'm going by (trying to anyway) this list:
http://www.fordtrucks.com/article/id...250_Truck.html
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 01:36 PM
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Bring them together, You will need 302 engine perches but it should fit. You must keep the shift cables also.

John
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 04:56 PM
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is that all you gotta do ? well Gee Wiz!! ..LMAO... I'll stick with my 352 thanks LOL
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 05:08 PM
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If the truck has a 351, the 302 should bolt right in,same mounts. The rear (trans) mount might not work, though.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 05:14 PM
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You'll also want to carburate the '88 engine, otherwise you'll need to graft in the engine harness and ECM from the Lincoln to your existing truck harness. You'll also need an electric fuel pump and you'll have to fabricate in a fuel return line.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 05:41 PM
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if the 351 is a windsor is will be a straight switch because they have the same mounts as a 302 also they use the same tranny's c-4's and c-6's.

Mounts for the trannys are 79.99 from summit
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 05:42 PM
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the 351 probably has a c-6, sometimes they put c-4';s in but they usually went with the bigger tranny with 351 plus engines.

I was goign to swap in a 302 and c-4 into mine, if you need anythign email or PM me
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 06:41 PM
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The engine (that's in the 66 now) is definitely a Cleveland.
I had to fix the Mother-in-laws kitchen sink drain this afternoon so, I didn't have time to get out and look at the transmission.
If I go with a carb it kind of defeats the purpose of this particular swap. Have any of you looked at the link I posted? It seems pretty complete but, of course, I haven't done this before.
Thanks for all the input guys, it's all good !
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 06:54 PM
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I looked at it, but dont need the headaches. I put a 302 HO in my 72 stang and that was enough learning for me. I'll just leave well enough alone from now on.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffs66
The engine (that's in the 66 now) is definitely a Cleveland.
I had to fix the Mother-in-laws kitchen sink drain this afternoon so, I didn't have time to get out and look at the transmission.
If I go with a carb it kind of defeats the purpose of this particular swap. Have any of you looked at the link I posted? It seems pretty complete but, of course, I haven't done this before.
Thanks for all the input guys, it's all good !
I have looked at the link.
Mechanically (with the correct parts) it is a bolt-in. Electronically it is not. The Lincoln harness does not hook up to your instrument cluster wiring. Your truck does not have a fuel return line, fuel pump relay, etc. The plugs for the starter solenoid, alt, etc. do not hook up to your harness. Cleveland accessory brackets will not work on a 302. Does your truck have P/S? If not you will need to install a P/S steering box, otherwise you will have problems with the accessory brackets (if the P/S groove runs anything else or needs to be in place for the serp.). Will the A/C portion of the Lincoln brackets interfere with anything? Does the Lincoln motor have a serpentine belt set-up? If so the A/C compressor will have to be in place or you will have to fabricate an idler or go to v-belt set-up. All of these things need to be addressed before ou begin.
It is not impossible but it is not a weekend install. The wiring harnesses will have to be grafted together and you will need to be able to accurately read wiring schematics, vacuum hose schematics, fuel delivery schematics, etc. If these are not things that you are familiar with then you are opening up a can of worms.
A carbureted engine needs little diagnostic equipment and basic know-how when, down the road, something goes wrong.
It will be a project that will take time, research and money.
 
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