40 Ford PU Hood
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40 Ford PU Hood
I'm having trouble with my 40 PU hood. Somewhere along the line it was probably sat-on or something was piled on top of it. The seam line has a dip along its middle where the SS trim is usually clipped-in. Also, recently when I got a Drake hood emblem for it, the fit was terrible to the nose. A buddy with his 40 PU said he had to grind the curve of his Drake emblem to fit right but since there is an obvious margin on the cuve, that would look obvious in changing the original fit. Besides, why pay that much and then grind into the chrome. Anyway, I'm not sure if the metal is in a different profile than it was from Ford, or not. My question is this: has anyone had experience in bringing the hood to the original or new profile needed to get the seam straight, and, what have you done to get the Drake emblem to fit? When the front is against the hood and around the curve the upper end where the trim slips on is about 3/8"-1/2" gap from the hood. Can the cowl profile be relied on for the hood curve. There seems to be nothing to go by. It seems strange that the nose would be so far out of whack with the emblem curve. Should I re-profile the hood nose to the emblem curve?
Last edited by Elder Rodder; Jan 26, 2005 at 10:02 AM.
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Does anyone know if there is a difference between the 40 standard hood and the 40 pickup hood? I've thought they were the same but I noticed Drake lists two different numbers for the ornaments. If there is a difference I was wondering if the PU has a standard hood that I'm trying to fit a PU hood ornament on. I got the PU in pieces so it could be. If they're the same then it doesn't matter, the ornament just doesn't fit right.
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OK, then, I'll answer my own question. I called Drake and there are only the Deluxe and Standard model hoods for 1940 cars and trucks. The Standard car and PU truck had the same hood but different ornaments. That means that the profile of my PU hood is off. I'll just have to massage everything till it lines-up.
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Don't you like answering your own posts? Seems like I've done that quite a bit myself. It is similar to muttering to yourself after twisting off a bolt.
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Last weekend I made a template of my cab cowl and one of the immediate area just over the step off the back of the hood. Between the profile of the cowl just behind the hood area and the profile of my hood ornament I'm going to try getting the hood to fit on both ends. That's about all there is to go by since somewhere along the line the area where the SS divider strip goes is too flattened-out. This is going to be a difficult metal bump. My buddy wants me to separate the welds on the two halves of the hood but I don't want to lose that registration of them. There's little enough to go by now.
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The Humpty Dumpty effect!!
Elder Rodder,
(In my humblle OPINION)
There is no way I would separate the hood halves, I think that might be begging more grief than you might ever imagine. I would imagine you would be miles and hours ahead, by trying on another hood.
You might want to consult with a really good body guy, show him your problem, and see what he thinks.
That is a really long expanse of metal. It is already under tension, to keep it where it is. The moment you relieve all of that age induced form, putting it back together becomes a Humpty Dumpty kind of problem.
The interesting phoemomena which I have noticed, is, a hood which will not conform for one vehicle, will fit superbly on another!!!
Go figure!!! Huh??
(Just remember all you guys who disagree with the above) (This is MY opinion!!)
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Dick
(In my humblle OPINION)
There is no way I would separate the hood halves, I think that might be begging more grief than you might ever imagine. I would imagine you would be miles and hours ahead, by trying on another hood.
You might want to consult with a really good body guy, show him your problem, and see what he thinks.
That is a really long expanse of metal. It is already under tension, to keep it where it is. The moment you relieve all of that age induced form, putting it back together becomes a Humpty Dumpty kind of problem.
The interesting phoemomena which I have noticed, is, a hood which will not conform for one vehicle, will fit superbly on another!!!
Go figure!!! Huh??
(Just remember all you guys who disagree with the above) (This is MY opinion!!)
Regards,
Dick
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Thanks UBA40,
I think that's good advise. My pal wants to release the tension but I keep saying that the original attachment is important because it will go to the original stamped shape if the stress is removed from the metal. Anyway, I'm NOT going to separate the hood. Anyone with an opinion or experience with this is welcome to add their two cents on the subject. I'd appreciate it because I'm on the front fenders now and the hood is the last body part between me and finishing the PU body.
I think that's good advise. My pal wants to release the tension but I keep saying that the original attachment is important because it will go to the original stamped shape if the stress is removed from the metal. Anyway, I'm NOT going to separate the hood. Anyone with an opinion or experience with this is welcome to add their two cents on the subject. I'd appreciate it because I'm on the front fenders now and the hood is the last body part between me and finishing the PU body.
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40 Hood
I've got a 40 Pickup and bought a Drake nose piece and it dosen't quite fit my hood with just a little gap along the sides down the front and the rear bolt hole dosen't line up.........too short.......... but yesterday I went to a friends who has 2 40's and we tried the Drake piece on both of his hoods. One didn't fit and the other fit like a glove. Now I just have to swipe his hood or exchange it for mine. Ha Ha
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more 40 sheetmetal answers (maybe)
Hi Guys,
It has been told to me, by more than one informed Ford Nut, THAT:
There were 3 different stamping facilities used by Ford in 1939-40-41. Each of these stamping facilities stamped out a pair of fenders and a matching hood. They then went to the assembly line and were installed on the cars, and trucks as they came down the line. they were installed in "batches" for lack of a better way to phrase that.
Let us call the stamping facilities A, B, and C..........
Since the dies were not all "identical", but the parts matched each other from a given stamping facility, when they were assembled on the assembly line, we had good fit.
However!!!!!!!!!
Later as cars got damaged, and a "B" fender replaced a "C" fender.............
Trouble!!!!!!!!
The difference between stampings reared its ugly head......
SO, if the story is true
Can you imagine what happens when we try to reassemble a car with an "A:" Left fender to a "C" hood and a "B" Right fender..................
EVEN IF THEY ARE N.O.S!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I am writing this down, I am reminded of some of the stories I have heard from the Drake world. This guy researches like crazy, and is a nut for proper pieces. Yet, he still finds N.O.S. pieces which do not match each other!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please understand, I am not proclaiming this to be fact. I have heard this often enough to give it credibility.
The standards to which cars were built 65 years ago, were not as we would expect they were from today's perspective.
Drake does a helluva job. He may not always be right, but our parts may have sagged, twisted, or shrunk during the last 65 years. ( I of course am the perfect example of That!!)
So, be patient, make your part, match the part which you cannot reasonably modify. It will save your sanity. (whatever you have left at the end of the build)
uba40
It has been told to me, by more than one informed Ford Nut, THAT:
There were 3 different stamping facilities used by Ford in 1939-40-41. Each of these stamping facilities stamped out a pair of fenders and a matching hood. They then went to the assembly line and were installed on the cars, and trucks as they came down the line. they were installed in "batches" for lack of a better way to phrase that.
Let us call the stamping facilities A, B, and C..........
Since the dies were not all "identical", but the parts matched each other from a given stamping facility, when they were assembled on the assembly line, we had good fit.
However!!!!!!!!!
Later as cars got damaged, and a "B" fender replaced a "C" fender.............
Trouble!!!!!!!!
The difference between stampings reared its ugly head......
SO, if the story is true
Can you imagine what happens when we try to reassemble a car with an "A:" Left fender to a "C" hood and a "B" Right fender..................
EVEN IF THEY ARE N.O.S!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I am writing this down, I am reminded of some of the stories I have heard from the Drake world. This guy researches like crazy, and is a nut for proper pieces. Yet, he still finds N.O.S. pieces which do not match each other!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please understand, I am not proclaiming this to be fact. I have heard this often enough to give it credibility.
The standards to which cars were built 65 years ago, were not as we would expect they were from today's perspective.
Drake does a helluva job. He may not always be right, but our parts may have sagged, twisted, or shrunk during the last 65 years. ( I of course am the perfect example of That!!)
So, be patient, make your part, match the part which you cannot reasonably modify. It will save your sanity. (whatever you have left at the end of the build)
uba40
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40 Hood
Beings I had writen earlier about my Drake piece not fitting my hood, I went to the shop and started over. I fastened the top rear bolt first and then worked my way to the front and down to the grille. It took a lot of work to get the 2 bottom screws/bolts started but I did and finally drew it all down into position. I really got it to fit pretty good but it took a lot of prying and tightening and sucking it up to the tin so like the fella before me I suppose it matters just what mill stamped the front end in 1940.
Mike
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