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You'd think something so basic would be sooooooo easy! Pulling my hair out. I need Spark Plug Inserts 5/8"-18 on the OUTSIDE Threads, and 14 x 1.25 Park Plug Threads on the INSIDE by 1/2" Long. I've been on so !any sites now, its ridiculous. All these vendors want you to buy a complete, overpriced kit, that MAY have 3 inserts in the kit, and I come to find, MOST suppliers don't tell you the size of the threads that you will be cutting. I already have the tool ! The Cutter has already cut for 5/8"-18 Inserts. Why is something so damn simple, so damn difficult ? Any help appreciated. P.S. Fixing Edelbrock Aluminum Heads, '49 to 53 8BA. Ya'all have a safe and good Easter ! 😊
One key ingredient missing ! The thread on the OUTSIDE of the insert ! Been on line with Advance, O Reilly, Auto Zone McMaster Carr, E z Lok.....the list goes on and on and on. I have 1 good possibility up in PA, a town I actually uses to live near, but I can't get ahold of them till Monday. Thank you for your response !
So it sounds like a conversion from 5/8-18 taper seat plug hole to a 14mm standard plug hole. The 5/8" holes must be damaged?
No, never been a Tapered Seat. These are Edelbrock Aluminum Heads for a Flathead Ford. The threads get a bit ugly after decades of use and a abuse. You'd think I'm looking for parts for a Russian Nuclear Submarine. Well, tomorrow, I can at least call a couple places. Happy motoring !
It seems that one is in search of a helicoil, parmacoil, timesert, or similar insert only kit - but usually an external thread is not specified and may not be standard, but system specific due to the geometries and so it would make sense to stay within the brand for which one has the tooling for and order the corresponding insert only kit.
It seems that one is in search of a helicoil, parmacoil, timesert, or similar insert only kit - but usually an external thread is not specified and may not be standard, but system specific due to the geometries and so it would make sense to stay within the brand for which one has the tooling for and order the corresponding insert only kit.
Exactly right. Helicoils are made from diamond-shaped wire, so the OD threads are not standard UNC/UNF form.
It seems that one is in search of a helicoil, parmacoil, timesert, or similar insert only kit - but usually an external thread is not specified and may not be standard, but system specific due to the geometries and so it would make sense to stay within the brand for which one has the tooling for and order the corresponding insert only kit.
I bought the Tad and Inserts from KRAPA, oops, I mean NAPA.... they tell you to use Tool #2123 with Inserts #2128. WRONG ! So I bought both. Threads are already cut in heads, inserts are the WRONG SIZE ! Parts Counter Dude telling me they ARE the right size. Wrong again ! The only sure thing I've come up with is , the insert needs to be 5/8"-18 Threads on the outer part with the I.D. Diameter very common 14mm x 1.25 Spark Plug size. Once again, I repeat, why is something so simple, so freaking difficult.Oh yeah, supplier Mechanics Tools and Bits couldn't help.
The part numbers provided appear to be for Carisle tools. Was the initial insert system used on the heads Carisle? What brand insert system was used on the head originally? That is what you will need to use. As we stated, 5/8-18 is unlikely to be correct for an insert, but maybe it was close to the appropriate STI tapped thread. One exception I found was the E-Z LOK system ( https://www.ezlok.com/assets/documen...Automotive.pdf ), but they only have the 5/8-18 external for a M12 internal spark plug. If a 5/8-18 tap was used in error to chase the insert threads, your repair options could possibly be very limited and get to the point where it could be more economical to replace the heads.
I would also be asking, why did the former insert system fail? Can you share any photos of a failed insert? Someone maybe able to identify it.
I'm sorry you're having to go through this, Larry, I always hate having to deal with seemingly simple things that are made overly complicated and frustrating. I'm beginning to wonder, though, if perhaps you're a victim of some bad intel. As I do the math, the difference between 14mm and 5/8 inch is about .070", which seems a bit skinny to me to be threaded on both sides and still be functional. Would it be possible to drill and tap to 3/4-16 and use these inserts from McMaster-Carr (or similar)? 3/4 or 18mm seems to be the standard from what I've seen. https://www.mcmaster.com/products/sp...e~standard-un/
How about Timesert? Used them before, I did use there tap, pretty sure the threads are going to be an odd size. They also make a kit if you need to go oversized for a second try.
Yes, this is exactly the tool I bought last November, along with 2 Inserts. If you look at NAPA 's Part Number for this tool, it's 2123. But, if you go on their website, it calls for Insert #2128 to match this Reamer/ Cutter. I got those inserts already. THEY ARE NOT the correct size. I don't think NAPA even lists part number 2128. I know this to be true, I've been back to the store where some dumb *** Parts Pusher is telling me 2128 doesn't come up on the computer screen. Yeah, you think it's cuz NAPA fu.... up with a mismatch ? I am convinced. I asked the counter guy if he has a Pitch Gauge, of course not. I wonder how many heads were ruined cuz of this mismatched combo ? So , to get back to this never ending saga, I have a pair of heads, already cut, reamed for a 5/8"-18 Insert, with no insert available from KRAPA Auto Parts. I DONT want a helicoil, i want inserts, that seems no one has, mission continues ! I need 5/8"-18 thread OUTSIDE diameter of insert, to fit a 14mm plug. Sounds so simple doesn't it ?????
Another vote for Timesert, and if the head is off, have them installed in all the holes.
I would like to thank all who got involved and tried to help. I got ahold of Timesert, they DO NOT offer a direct replacement insert for a 5/8"-18 Thread. Of course, I can purchase an oversize kit, for the measly sum of $432.00. I don't think so ! Ya know, the more time goes on, the more ****ty these companies get, and Customer Service is definitely a thing of the past. These are used heads I'm trying to repair, now I will continue my search, this time for Helicoils Wish me luck ! Thanks again. 😎
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