Notices
1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Fat Fendered and Classic Ford Trucks

Spark Plug Inserts

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 4, 2026 | 09:37 AM
  #1  
Larryjr03's Avatar
Larryjr03
Thread Starter
|
Tuned
10 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 319
Likes: 18
Spark Plug Inserts

You'd think something so basic would be sooooooo easy! Pulling my hair out. I need Spark Plug Inserts 5/8"-18 on the OUTSIDE Threads, and 14 x 1.25 Park Plug Threads on the INSIDE by 1/2" Long. I've been on so !any sites now, its ridiculous. All these vendors want you to buy a complete, overpriced kit, that MAY have 3 inserts in the kit, and I come to find, MOST suppliers don't tell you the size of the threads that you will be cutting. I already have the tool ! The Cutter has already cut for 5/8"-18 Inserts. Why is something so damn simple, so damn difficult ? Any help appreciated. P.S. Fixing Edelbrock Aluminum Heads, '49 to 53 8BA. Ya'all have a safe and good Easter ! 😊
 
Reply
Old Apr 4, 2026 | 11:09 AM
  #2  
ALBUQ F-1's Avatar
ALBUQ F-1
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 27,294
Likes: 1,055
From: NM
This looks right: https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/c.../hel0/r532614n
 
Reply
Old Apr 4, 2026 | 08:23 PM
  #3  
Larryjr03's Avatar
Larryjr03
Thread Starter
|
Tuned
10 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 319
Likes: 18
Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
One key ingredient missing ! The thread on the OUTSIDE of the insert ! Been on line with Advance, O Reilly, Auto Zone McMaster Carr, E z Lok.....the list goes on and on and on. I have 1 good possibility up in PA, a town I actually uses to live near, but I can't get ahold of them till Monday. Thank you for your response !
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2026 | 08:17 AM
  #4  
Truckfarm's Avatar
Truckfarm
Mountain Pass
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2022
Posts: 114
Likes: 41
From: Fort Collins, CO
So it sounds like a conversion from 5/8-18 taper seat plug hole to a 14mm standard plug hole. The 5/8" holes must be damaged?
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2026 | 07:03 PM
  #5  
Larryjr03's Avatar
Larryjr03
Thread Starter
|
Tuned
10 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 319
Likes: 18
Originally Posted by Truckfarm
So it sounds like a conversion from 5/8-18 taper seat plug hole to a 14mm standard plug hole. The 5/8" holes must be damaged?
No, never been a Tapered Seat. These are Edelbrock Aluminum Heads for a Flathead Ford. The threads get a bit ugly after decades of use and a abuse. You'd think I'm looking for parts for a Russian Nuclear Submarine. Well, tomorrow, I can at least call a couple places. Happy motoring !
 
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2026 | 07:13 PM
  #6  
bmoran4's Avatar
bmoran4
Parts Nerd Extraordinaire
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,369
Likes: 1,786
From: Western NY
Club FTE Gold Member
It seems that one is in search of a helicoil, parmacoil, timesert, or similar insert only kit - but usually an external thread is not specified and may not be standard, but system specific due to the geometries and so it would make sense to stay within the brand for which one has the tooling for and order the corresponding insert only kit.
 

Last edited by bmoran4; Apr 5, 2026 at 07:15 PM.
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2026 | 07:58 PM
  #7  
ALBUQ F-1's Avatar
ALBUQ F-1
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 27,294
Likes: 1,055
From: NM
Originally Posted by bmoran4
It seems that one is in search of a helicoil, parmacoil, timesert, or similar insert only kit - but usually an external thread is not specified and may not be standard, but system specific due to the geometries and so it would make sense to stay within the brand for which one has the tooling for and order the corresponding insert only kit.
Exactly right. Helicoils are made from diamond-shaped wire, so the OD threads are not standard UNC/UNF form.
 
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2026 | 09:00 AM
  #8  
Larryjr03's Avatar
Larryjr03
Thread Starter
|
Tuned
10 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 319
Likes: 18
Originally Posted by bmoran4
It seems that one is in search of a helicoil, parmacoil, timesert, or similar insert only kit - but usually an external thread is not specified and may not be standard, but system specific due to the geometries and so it would make sense to stay within the brand for which one has the tooling for and order the corresponding insert only kit.
I bought the Tad and Inserts from KRAPA, oops, I mean NAPA.... they tell you to use Tool #2123 with Inserts #2128. WRONG ! So I bought both. Threads are already cut in heads, inserts are the WRONG SIZE ! Parts Counter Dude telling me they ARE the right size. Wrong again ! The only sure thing I've come up with is , the insert needs to be 5/8"-18 Threads on the outer part with the I.D. Diameter very common 14mm x 1.25 Spark Plug size. Once again, I repeat, why is something so simple, so freaking difficult.Oh yeah, supplier Mechanics Tools and Bits couldn't help.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-2

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-5

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-7

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-8

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
Old Apr 6, 2026 | 09:31 AM
  #9  
bmoran4's Avatar
bmoran4
Parts Nerd Extraordinaire
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,369
Likes: 1,786
From: Western NY
Club FTE Gold Member
The part numbers provided appear to be for Carisle tools. Was the initial insert system used on the heads Carisle? What brand insert system was used on the head originally? That is what you will need to use. As we stated, 5/8-18 is unlikely to be correct for an insert, but maybe it was close to the appropriate STI tapped thread. One exception I found was the E-Z LOK system ( https://www.ezlok.com/assets/documen...Automotive.pdf ), but they only have the 5/8-18 external for a M12 internal spark plug. If a 5/8-18 tap was used in error to chase the insert threads, your repair options could possibly be very limited and get to the point where it could be more economical to replace the heads.

I would also be asking, why did the former insert system fail? Can you share any photos of a failed insert? Someone maybe able to identify it.
 
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2026 | 10:14 AM
  #10  
52 Merc's Avatar
52 Merc
Hotshot
15 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 16,175
Likes: 4,782
From: Burbank, WA
I'm sorry you're having to go through this, Larry, I always hate having to deal with seemingly simple things that are made overly complicated and frustrating. I'm beginning to wonder, though, if perhaps you're a victim of some bad intel. As I do the math, the difference between 14mm and 5/8 inch is about .070", which seems a bit skinny to me to be threaded on both sides and still be functional. Would it be possible to drill and tap to 3/4-16 and use these inserts from McMaster-Carr (or similar)? 3/4 or 18mm seems to be the standard from what I've seen.
https://www.mcmaster.com/products/sp...e~standard-un/
 
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2026 | 06:14 PM
  #11  
Christopher2's Avatar
Christopher2
Fleet Mechanic
Veteran: Navy
20 Year Member
Photoriffic
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,777
Likes: 42
From: Minnesota
Club FTE Gold Member
How about Timesert? Used them before, I did use there tap, pretty sure the threads are going to be an odd size. They also make a kit if you need to go oversized for a second try.


Oversized
 

Last edited by Christopher2; Apr 6, 2026 at 09:22 PM.
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2026 | 09:32 PM
  #12  
Christopher2's Avatar
Christopher2
Fleet Mechanic
Veteran: Navy
20 Year Member
Photoriffic
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,777
Likes: 42
From: Minnesota
Club FTE Gold Member
Is this what your trying to use?


reamer
 

Last edited by Christopher2; Apr 6, 2026 at 09:35 PM.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2026 | 08:27 AM
  #13  
Larryjr03's Avatar
Larryjr03
Thread Starter
|
Tuned
10 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 319
Likes: 18
Originally Posted by Christopher2
Yes, this is exactly the tool I bought last November, along with 2 Inserts. If you look at NAPA 's Part Number for this tool, it's 2123. But, if you go on their website, it calls for Insert #2128 to match this Reamer/ Cutter. I got those inserts already. THEY ARE NOT the correct size. I don't think NAPA even lists part number 2128. I know this to be true, I've been back to the store where some dumb *** Parts Pusher is telling me 2128 doesn't come up on the computer screen. Yeah, you think it's cuz NAPA fu.... up with a mismatch ? I am convinced. I asked the counter guy if he has a Pitch Gauge, of course not. I wonder how many heads were ruined cuz of this mismatched combo ? So , to get back to this never ending saga, I have a pair of heads, already cut, reamed for a 5/8"-18 Insert, with no insert available from KRAPA Auto Parts. I DONT want a helicoil, i want inserts, that seems no one has, mission continues ! I need 5/8"-18 thread OUTSIDE diameter of insert, to fit a 14mm plug. Sounds so simple doesn't it ?????
 
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2026 | 08:55 AM
  #14  
ALBUQ F-1's Avatar
ALBUQ F-1
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 27,294
Likes: 1,055
From: NM
Is the head off or still on the engine?

Another vote for Timesert, and if the head is off, have them installed in all the holes.
 
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2026 | 12:32 PM
  #15  
Larryjr03's Avatar
Larryjr03
Thread Starter
|
Tuned
10 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 319
Likes: 18
Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
Is the head off or still on the engine?

Another vote for Timesert, and if the head is off, have them installed in all the holes.
I would like to thank all who got involved and tried to help. I got ahold of Timesert, they DO NOT offer a direct replacement insert for a 5/8"-18 Thread. Of course, I can purchase an oversize kit, for the measly sum of $432.00. I don't think so ! Ya know, the more time goes on, the more ****ty these companies get, and Customer Service is definitely a thing of the past. These are used heads I'm trying to repair, now I will continue my search, this time for Helicoils Wish me luck ! Thanks again. 😎
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:39 PM.

story-0
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-1
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-2
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-4
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-6
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-7
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-8
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE