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This seems a bit like a troll type of post. Pointless waste of time or a reliable computer controlled EFI vehilcle. There is nothing to be gained by doing this other than screwing up a truck with another hacked up mod.
This would probably make the computer unhappy and the CEL to come on.
Many people that have classic cars with points want to convert to electronic ignition to eliminate points.
Maybe the goal is to completely replace the electronics, starting with the distributor.
My Alfa has Mechanical Fuel injection and Dual Points distributor.
The Montreal has a V8 Mechanical Fuel Injection.
The hardest part to fabricate would probably be the Thermostatic Actuator. Montreal Fuel Injection Pump
We are old guys who just are fed up with electronics failing. I ask a simple question and half of you are more concerned with why I would do such a thing but only one attempts to answer my simple question. I guess this forum is now full of millenials. A set of points is more reliable than any electronic box plus they never put you on the side of the road. If your not going to give a constructive answer move on to so other post.
We are old guys who just are fed up with electronics failing. I ask a simple question and half of you are more concerned with why I would do such a thing but only one attempts to answer my simple question. I guess this forum is now full of millenials. A set of points is more reliable than any electronic box plus they never put you on the side of the road. If your not going to give a constructive answer move on to so other post.
To say that points will never leave you on the side of the road, now that's a good one.
The truth of the matter is that Scndsin is right. It won't even run if all you swap is the ignition system. The fuel injection and spark are directly intertwined.
Given none of us know who you are and lack of background/depth of the question you were going to get a lot of negative feedback.
If you are completely replacing everything electronic related to the engine and transmission (E4OD) then it is doable as long as you use a steel gear on the distributor. This is needed because the engine should have a factory roller camshaft. If the truck has a manual transmission the project scope does get easier.
Agreed, some fairly rude answers, but TBH, I thought the same thing, Why would you do that? The electronics in my 93 with over 180k miles never left me on the side of the road, or anywhere for that matter.
I Have had more problems with the concentric slave cylinder than anything else on this truck.
1. I'm not a millennial.
2. I don't think my comment was rude. I was just answering your question.
3. 1 & 2 don't matter because Scndsin was right (he's also not a millennial by the way), and it won't run without the PIP signal anyway. (A point which I had overlooked.)
We are old guys who just are fed up with electronics failing. I ask a simple question and half of you are more concerned with why I would do such a thing but only one attempts to answer my simple question. I guess this forum is now full of millenials. A set of points is more reliable than any electronic box plus they never put you on the side of the road. If your not going to give a constructive answer move on to so other post.
Lets see, my first car was a '63 Pontiac Tempest, my second was a '66 Fairlane, and I've owned any number of Carburetor and Points equipped vehicles. You're looking through rosy glasses if you buy the bulls*&t you're spewing. Yes, you can do what you're asking. No, it's a stupid *****ing idea, and no, I'm not going to tell you how to do it, because somebody else might read it and decide it's a good idea. The Manufacturers quit using points for a reason, the racing world quit using points for a reason, You can't even get a godamned lawnmower or chainsaw that still uses points, for a reason. Unless you're dealing with some sort of matching numbers concours build, you're a bloody idiot if you think breaker points are a desirable feature.
Converted 69 302 *chevy* from points to HEI
Converted 69 390 from points to MSD digital ignition
Converted 71 454 from points to HEI
Converted 72 400 from points to HEI
Converted 89 350 from fuel injection to hei and carb because I knew better than the gm guys... 2 months later converted back to fuel injection and the stalling because of the aftermarket fuel pressure regulator went away and cold morning starts with a stuck choke stopped.
not knocking you man just speaking from hard learned experience, you will have fewer running and reliability issues repairing whatever you have inoperative at the moment. I have 2 trucks well on their way to half a million miles both fuel injected. One is my 1995 302 f150 with 300k miles the other is a 2006 Silverado with 400k. Both have had parts replaced, but nothing that wasn't expected to wear out.
Retrofitting stuff into a newer truck is opening a can of dead worms man. If your buddy wants the older "reliability " he would be better off in the long run finding a early 70s truck.
We are old guys who just are fed up with electronics failing. I ask a simple question and half of you are more concerned with why I would do such a thing but only one attempts to answer my simple question. I guess this forum is now full of millenials. A set of points is more reliable than any electronic box plus they never put you on the side of the road. If your not going to give a constructive answer move on to so other post.
Yup, I used to feel that way too, until I understood the electronics and became comfortable with it.
Electronics you don't have to adjust, points you have to adjust and keep clean.
Nope, not a millenial, 100% Gen-X.
Your simple question of "Can it be done on a 96?", answers with the simple answer(s) of "Yes", "No", "Depends", and everyone else's opinion in between, from the never done it, to thought about it, and done it.
Of course it can be done, you can do anything you want.
Just swapping the distributor itself, no, of course not, its not going to work.
If all the other electronics have been swapped out, dash, speedo, VSS, trans etc. well then it depends if you've added another EFI controller, or if you've swapped a Carburetor on it.
What's the goal?
As a Gen-X, old school is not 1996.
If you really want old school, get a 60s truck or older, or swap 60s engine/trans into the 1996.
To me that is old school, 70s and up is not old school
Fun Fact: Ford introduced electronic ignition in 1974: DuraSpark Electronic Ignition introduced in 1974
So, if your buddy really wants old school, your going to have to get something from 74 and earlier.
My opinion.
I'm far from millennial. I'm just a realist. I've wasted my fair share of a mechanical lifetime setting points, tweaking carbs, scraping carbon fouled plugs & all the other vagaries of such "won't leave you stranded " tech.
I've seen the results of detonation & washed down cylinders & bearings ruined from gas in the oil.
And if you think for a moment a set of points won't leave you stranded, (even with a spare set in the glove-box) I've got a bridge for sale. Today, you can go through a whole gross capacitors before you find one that will last 10K miles.
I've also cruised the junk yard to see how many hacks & other "simplifications" start with yard art followed by haul away for scrap.
I grew up when roller cams, FI, solid state HEI & such was $$$$EXOTIC$$$$. Now I play with a OLD TRUCK that has all that & a computer born out of Formula 1.
Like above, you/your buddy want points, find yourself a pre-74. Better yet, drop a SBC in it, or just get one of their trucks outright since their distributors are much more adjustable.
To each his own. Hate to see another one hit the boneyard early.
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points distributor on a 96 351?
