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Old Mar 13, 2021 | 09:07 PM
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Does anyone know what sensors being unplugged could cause a no spark situation on a 87 f150 4.9?
 
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That would be the distributor or more specifically the pickup inside of it.
 
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That would be the distributor or more specifically the pickup inside of it.
and that’s the only thing? Nothing else?
 
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Ignition timing comes from the distributor and is controlled by the PCM via the ignition module also mounted on the distributor. One test is to disconnect the PCM and crank the engine, if there is spark the distributor and it's modules are OK and the PCM is the source of the problem, if still no spark then replace the distributor. This assumes the ignition coil is good of course.

The computer ignores most of the sensors at cold start so it and the distributor are all that is needed to get it running, of course all the other sensors quickly come into play so they are all necessary eventually.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2021 | 10:09 PM
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Ignition timing comes from the distributor and is controlled by the PCM via the ignition module also mounted on the distributor. One test is to disconnect the PCM and crank the engine, if there is spark the distributor and it's modules are OK and the PCM is the source of the problem, if still no spark then replace the distributor. This assumes the ignition coil is good of course.

The computer ignores most of the sensors at cold start so it and the distributor are all that is needed to get it running, of course all the other sensors quickly come into play so they are all necessary eventually.
Sorry for the book but okay makes sense, so what I’m having problems with is no spark, I bought the truck and it wouldn’t hardly run, due to it missing so bad, so I pullesd the valve cover off and found two push rods from under the rocker, re assembled everything and it ran great, drove it around in the parking lot and got out went into the shop and came back out and it just cut off, I’ve been pulling my hair out since, I’ve replaced the ignition coil, ignition module, replaced the pick up in the distributor, unplugged the spout, unplugged the ecm, changed the ecm, and replaced the wiring harness, so is there anything I missed in the entire ignition system to replace or test? I also bought a brand new distributor today to put in tomorrow to see if that fixes it
 
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Old Mar 13, 2021 | 10:21 PM
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Have you pulled a plug to see if there is spark when cranking or are you assuming it's not getting spark?

A dead fuel pump would be a high possibility with a truck this age too.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2021 | 10:22 PM
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Have you pulled a plug to see if there is spark when cranking or are you assuming it's not getting spark?

A dead fuel pump would be a high possibility with a truck this age too.
it’s not getting spark from the coil, and it has new fuel pumps
 
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Have you tested fuel pressure at the motor? You have to positively rule that out as it's easy to reverse the wires on a fuel pump and have a case where is works but is pushing back into the tank instead of to the motor.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2021 | 10:28 PM
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Have you tested fuel pressure at the motor? You have to positively rule that out as it's easy to reverse the wires on a fuel pump and have a case where is works but is pushing back into the tank instead of to the motor.
It’s not a fuel problem hence it ran fine before it lost spark, it has absolutely no spark
 
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The it's got to be electrical. What year is the replacement wiring harness and how much of it was replaced? I suspect you are talking about the part from the round junction connectors on the inner fender to the motor, is that right or was there more?
 
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The it's got to be electrical. What year is the replacement wiring harness and how much of it was replaced? I suspect you are talking about the part from the round junction connectors on the inner fender to the motor, is that right or was there more?
all I replaced was the actual engine harness, the entire harness from the ecm to each individual pig tail including the ecm, I got both the harness and ecm from a truck in the junk yard today, I did open the harness up to make sure everything was okay and there wasn’t anything obvious before I installed it. And it came from a 87 as well
 
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Pull the distributor cap off and crank the motor to see if the rotor is actually turning. There have been cases where the pin in the distributor gear sheers off and the shaft no longer spins.
 
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Pull the distributor cap off and crank the motor to see if the rotor is actually turning. There have been cases where the pin on the distributor gear sheers off and the shaft no longer spins.
I have 😅 any other ideas?
 
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Damn,.. I can see how this would be frustrating. Time to put the other distributor in it, you should have spark with just that and a known good ignition coil. The correct ignition module for your vintage truck will be grey as well, don't let them sell you a black one.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2021 | 11:06 PM
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Damn,.. I can see how this would be frustrating. Time to put the other distributor in it, you should have spark with just that and a known good ignition coil. The correct ignition module for your vintage truck will be grey as well, don't let them sell you a black one.
yeah I got a brand new one I’m gonna put in it hopefully tomorrow or either Monday and yes I got the grey one when I replaced that as well, I’m just tired of pulling my hair out on what it is!
 
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