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Old Jan 28, 2020 | 09:58 AM
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Difference in a metal CAC from eBay vs Ford?

Ordered Riff Raff couplings for the hot side and then in replacing a coolant hose on the driver's side noticed that I was getting some blowby on the plastic intercooler tubing. Riff Raff has a replacement metal pipe kit for sale for $78 w/ Ford couplings, but I noticed on eBay I can buy a generic polished metal kit for both sides for the same cost. Considering I can't see them in person I was curious what the practical difference would be...outside of the Ford couplings liely being better?

Better decision to go with...
or
 
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Old Jan 28, 2020 | 10:21 AM
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Looks like they are available in Polished, Red, and Black finish -- decisions, decisions
I need new cold side on my '06, the plastic bellows has a split

I think for the price I would go with theBay -- my only concern would be fitment of the bends, but even with the others there is no guarantee they will fit 100%
I suppose the real difference is in the return policy, if there is an interference problem -- the boots and clamps look to be OK
 
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Old Jan 28, 2020 | 10:52 AM
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Many times what we see is the thickness of the material wall on the aftermarket pipes leaves a lot to be desired.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2020 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Riffraff Performance
Many times what we see is the thickness of the material wall on the aftermarket pipes leaves a lot to be desired.
This wouldn't surprise me in the least, but in an otherwise stock truck when you're comparing stock plastic (at least on the cold side) to thin wall metal...I wonder if it really matters in the end. I personally don't know the answer so I'm open to more informed opinions.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2020 | 12:30 PM
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The fitment on the bends is not good.
Don't know if you can see it good but the cac tube is pinching my water hose against the head. I am in process of clean up a Ford oem that I picked up at junk yard before it wears threw.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2020 | 12:31 PM
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In my experience, the eBay ones I bought has a hole in it. Even worse, it doesn't fit well.
I lucky enough to have an aluminum welder to plug the hole. I would definitely suggest going with eBay if you want to save money, but expect some "lucks" and return cycles. After all, if it works, you have a very good aluminum pipes compared to the plastic one that needs very high clamp force to hold.
If money is not an issue, well, why do we talk about it here right? :-)
 
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Old Jan 28, 2020 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Aston06
This wouldn't surprise me in the least, but in an otherwise stock truck when you're comparing stock plastic (at least on the cold side) to thin wall metal...I wonder if it really matters in the end. I personally don't know the answer so I'm open to more informed opinions.
Yeah, the thin metal ends up being easily formed by the clamp and you get leaks. The factory metal is aluminized steel so it is much more robust.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2020 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Riffraff Performance
Yeah, the thin metal ends up being easily formed by the clamp and you get leaks. The factory metal is aluminized steel so it is much more robust.
Good to know. I was actually going to check and see what the OE was made out of.
 
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The clamp connectors don't look as robust on the eBay unit. It has a lip going "out" vs the "in" groove on the stock pipe. And the stock ones have the lip that goes into the groove and provides a good clamping point. Might have issues with these blowing off?

Also would question the quality of the boots at that price. The well-regarded Riffraff boot kit goes for $135 by itself. Considering that may leave you stranded I tend to go with well known options...
 
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Old Jan 28, 2020 | 03:13 PM
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I spent the extra on the one from Ford. Do yourself a favor, make sure you torque the clamps properly. I somehow failed to get the lower one tight enough, if was fine for 100 miles then one day I gave more throttle then just over 24 lbs of boost heard a loud "boom", It blew the lower tube off, cleaned out my power steering lines. Nothing crazy for damage but I did need a tow home for repairs..
 
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Originally Posted by Riffraff Performance
Many times what we see is the thickness of the material wall on the aftermarket pipes leaves a lot to be desired.
Originally Posted by Riffraff Performance
Yeah, the thin metal ends up being easily formed by the clamp and you get leaks. The factory metal is aluminized steel so it is much more robust.
I have a customer who bought the ebay CAC cooler tubes and while they look cool, they are a little thin compared to the Ford parts that came off.

The marketing ploy they use is that it dissipates heat better.
 
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In order to compete in the aftermarket world, most things are compromised, thickness, the grade of materials, and even type of material. You are going to bend to what your bender is capable of, not invest in the tooling to do what is necessary. At least on my OE aluminized steel heavy pipes, there also is a deadening material added on, so they much have been abating some harmonic or other noise.
 
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Originally Posted by TooManyToys.
In order to compete in the aftermarket world, most things are compromised, thickness, the grade of materials, and even type of material. You are going to bend to what your bender is capable of, not invest in the tooling to do what is necessary. At least on my OE aluminized steel heavy pipes, there also is a deadening material added on, so they much have been abating some harmonic or other noise.
If I'm not mistaken, that feature was found on only the early 2003 trucks. 2004 they had metal pipes, but the deadening material was gone, then they went to the plastic cold side.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2020 | 10:43 AM
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Good info, I've only got a sample of 1.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2020 | 06:33 AM
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I bought a Ford factory CAC pipe for my 2007, it came with black silicone couplers and SS clamps. The fitment was perfect, actually much easier to install in comparison to the plastic tube. Looks much nicer.

2007 Ford F350 6.0l DRW crew cab lariat with Ford Factory CAC pipe.
 
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