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Old Feb 9, 2017 | 10:55 PM
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Kenne Belle... 6.8 please?

So I took a stab in the dark. I know it will NEVER happen but I figured what the ****, why not.

You guys make great, no AWESOME kits. However you stopped making the kits for the 6.8 Ford motor awhile back and there are a sizable handful of us that really want to buy them. They are impossible to find, and only you can make that happen. No we aren’t as flashy in our Excursions and F series pickups as the guys in the Mustangs, but we want to buy your kits too. Is there any way you would ever consider doing another limited run of our kit again? You did it once, the tooling and molds are there. All you have to do is make it and we will gladly hand our cash over to you. If you doubt the sincerity of my claims, come on over to Excursion - King of SUVs - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums and look at the threads where the kit is mentioned or the threads where someone has installed one. Anytime it’s brought up people are left picking their jaws up off the floor and either patting the person on the back or talking about how the grapes are probably sour anyway. Please let me know what you think and if this would ever be possible again. Even if you could just make us the lower plenum so we could build the rest that would help. I graciously await your response. -MY NAME HERE

Sent that off to them about 2 minutes ago. Their website says "Due to the high volume of emails we receive, please allow 48-72 hours for an answer" so I'll let you know as soon as the write me back saying "There is no money in making kits for you guys, STFU and go away.". I don't blame them for not making our kits again but a boy can dream right?
 
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Old Feb 9, 2017 | 11:28 PM
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Remove your name, thanks for spending more of my money.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2017 | 12:42 AM
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Old Feb 10, 2017 | 09:40 AM
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Twin turbski's.

Get serious about it and I'll get serious on finding components and prices. With the amount of air the 6.8 can move, much fun can be had. I'll tell you now, the trans build will run you around $3800 in parts alone. Should probably use a boost-per-gear tuning strategy to keep things intact as well. Bizimoto runs one on his 1000+hp Toyota Sienna minivan, it's how he keeps the TSX manual trans in one piece. Max boost increases per gear and speed to allow for less stress on components, as the mass of the vehicle is already moving. That and a properly balanced tire compound so it'll blow the tires off instead of hooking and grenading components should he get too frisky too soon.

I'd also anticipate head and main studs, possibly aftermarket heads if you want to crank it and keep the plugs in their holes. Nothing ruins a day like suddenly creating extra hood ventilation as you eject a plug at 18lbs.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2017 | 11:41 AM
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Sizable handful? You mean, just you... right? Seriously, there can't be anyone chomping at the bit to go blow several grand just for the kit itself, not to mention the install cost as well as any additional mods in order to properly run it.

I think we all have a pretty good idea what their reply is going to be...
 
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Old Feb 10, 2017 | 12:18 PM
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I'm curious as to what the reason was they stopped manufacturing it in the first place.

The V10 is in a lot more vehicles other than the EX...

Is there a lack of demand for the product?

Is there a lack of demand for the product due to cost?

Didn't work very well?

Not enough performance?
 
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Old Feb 10, 2017 | 12:56 PM
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My truck came with a turbo from the factory. Works pretty good, I'd recommend one
 
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Old Feb 10, 2017 | 01:19 PM
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Twin turbski's.

Get serious about it and I'll get serious on finding components and prices. With the amount of air the 6.8 can move, much fun can be had. I'll tell you now, the trans build will run you around $3800 in parts alone. Should probably use a boost-per-gear tuning strategy to keep things intact as well. Bizimoto runs one on his 1000+hp Toyota Sienna minivan, it's how he keeps the TSX manual trans in one piece. Max boost increases per gear and speed to allow for less stress on components, as the mass of the vehicle is already moving. That and a properly balanced tire compound so it'll blow the tires off instead of hooking and grenading components should he get too frisky too soon.

I'd also anticipate head and main studs, possibly aftermarket heads if you want to crank it and keep the plugs in their holes. Nothing ruins a day like suddenly creating extra hood ventilation as you eject a plug at 18lbs.
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Old Feb 10, 2017 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Krazee Matt
...possibly aftermarket heads if you want to crank it and keep the plugs in their holes. Nothing ruins a day like suddenly creating extra hood ventilation as you eject a plug at 18lbs.
While that 18lbs of boost would be a bit much for a street driven, V10 daily driver (8 to 10 would suffice, I bet, and still allow the use of the OEM internals), the thread holes in the Ford heads, lacking as they may be prior to '03, will hold no problem. Guys were modding their daily driven, Gen 2 L's and pushed them up to 12 - 16lbs of boost and the only culprit for plug launching was due to the same reason it always happens, improperly torqued spark plugs.

I bet with 18lbs of boost, the crank, pistons, and connecting rods would have to be beefed up, along with the fuel system.

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Old Feb 10, 2017 | 08:49 PM
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While that 18lbs of boost would be a bit much for a street driven, V10 daily driver (8 to 10 would suffice, I bet, and still allow the use of the OEM internals), the thread holes in the Ford heads, lacking as they may be prior to '03, will hold no problem. Guys were modding their daily driven, Gen 2 L's and pushed them up to 12 - 16lbs of boost and the only culprit for plug launching was due to the same reason it always happens, improperly torqued spark plugs.

I bet with 18lbs of boost, the crank, pistons, and connecting rods would have to be beefed up, along with the fuel system.

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Oh absolutely, 18lbs would be ridiculous on a 6.8 - I was mostly exaggerating to make a humorous point to not cut corners. Cheap, fast, reliable - you can only get two.

A boost per gear protocol would help the internals survive and spikes in loading, and provided the tunes were done right I don't think preignition or detonation would be that big of an issue. Utilize a 7.3 or 6.0 intercooler to mitigate the rising EGT's associated with forced induction and I think an 8lbs twin turbo would be a lot of fun. Maybe even a smaller compound setup...

Now I feel like I need to go start crunching numbers and researching the base 6.8 specs some more...

Could just skip the whole forced induction deal entirely... Bore .020 over, zero deck the block, mill the heads a scoshe, custom ground cam, little valve and seat work and probably fiddle in the ports a bit.... It'll scoot.
 
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Matt- This guy did a single turbo on a 2001 5.4 F250

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-see-this.html
 
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Seems crazy to me to make the Ex into a race truck with all that weight. I'd spend the $ on a used muscle car and get my speed thrills there. Just my 2c.
 
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Originally Posted by Krazee Matt
Oh absolutely, 18lbs would be ridiculous on a 6.8 - I was mostly exaggerating


Originally Posted by wpnaes
Seems crazy to me to make the Ex into a race truck with all that weight. I'd spend the $ on a used muscle car and get my speed thrills there. Just my 2c.
Eh, that might work for some people, but for me it isn't about making it a race truck, even though I do race NHRDA with it, it's more about making it scoot faster because I need my daily drivers to move when I need them to move.

For me, both the 6.8L and the 7.3L are very anemic and need a lot of help to get to my definition of "scoot" or "move when I need it to move." But living in California, that means I'm very limited in the way I can boost the 6.8L. Not so much with a PSD.

It's a lot easier to make my PSD rig scoot the way I like, and NOT attract the attention of a smog tech, versus the V10.

If I had a muscle car for my speed needs, I'd have to have that as my daily driver. Since my truck is my daily driver, I need it to be my muscle truck.

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Sounds even better..... not mine, but have been looking for one too.


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