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Old Feb 21, 2013 | 06:00 AM
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Fuel injector #2 pulse stops after 10 seconds

Been chasing a misfire in cylinder #2 for a couple days now. Coil is good, injector is good. Determined with a noid light this morning that the wiring harness stops delivering a pulse to injector #2 after 10 seconds from start-up. I've reset the computer and get the same issue. Any suggestions why this might occur?
 
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Originally Posted by jon705
Determined with a noid light this morning that the wiring harness stops delivering a pulse to injector #2 after 10 seconds from start-up.
Sounds like the ECM driver for that injector is fried and you need a new ECM.
 
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Old Feb 21, 2013 | 01:20 PM
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Sounds like the ECM driver for that injector is fried and you need a new ECM.
That's what I'm hoping. It would be easier for me to replace the ECM (I think) than to yank and replace that engine that I just swapped in.

Is there a way to test the ECM? Would there be any other reason that only one injector pulse would stop after 10 seconds?
 
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Old Feb 21, 2013 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jon705
Would there be any other reason that only one injector pulse would stop after 10 seconds?
If it cut out and back in intermittently I would say a loose wire connection. But since it happens 10 seconds after start-up it is an electronics issue. That's why I suspect the ECM as being the problem.
 
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Old Feb 21, 2013 | 06:43 PM
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I believe the pcm will turn off the injector to the misfiring cylinder when it detects it, I would make sure connectors to the injector prongs is good, coil connector has good connection, and a good plug, then compression test. just a suggestion
 
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Old Feb 21, 2013 | 06:55 PM
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Some systems shut off injector at miss fire to protect the cats from raw fuel . Raw fuel can melt the cats . Just a thought .
 
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Old Feb 21, 2013 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kbsupercrew
I believe the pcm will turn off the injector to the misfiring cylinder when it detects it, I would make sure connectors to the injector prongs is good, coil connector has good connection, and a good plug, then compression test. just a suggestion
I'm having a heck of a time trying to get the compression tester to screw into the plug hole. Using a Harbor Freight model which could be part of the problem. I've tried screwing it into the blown 5.4L sitting on my garage floor and on the replacement engine bolted in the truck but without luck getting the threads to take.
 
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Old Feb 21, 2013 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by alloro
If it cut out and back in intermittently I would say a loose wire connection. But since it happens 10 seconds after start-up it is an electronics issue. That's why I suspect the ECM as being the problem.
I've unbolted the harness from the computer but haven't looked too much further into how to remove the unit.

Does the computer come out through the engine bay side, or from the inside of the car?
 
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Originally Posted by kbsupercrew
I believe the pcm will turn off the injector to the misfiring cylinder when it detects it
Even if that is the case, there would first have to be misfire and a rich exhaust codes set which there isn't.
 
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This might help explain why
 
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Here is an excerpt which explains the process. It starts with a Type A misfire having to be detected and set before the injector would be shut down.
 
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Originally Posted by alloro
Here is an excerpt which explains the process. It starts with a Type A misfire having to be detected and set before the injector would be shut down.
So would a Type A misfire always cause the check engine light to come on? Once this type of misfire is detected will it cause the injector to shut down immediately at startup rather than 10 seconds after?
 
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Originally Posted by jon705
So would a Type A misfire always cause the check engine light to come on?
It will cause the CEL to flash. Once the flashing starts, the ECM shuts down the injector and monitors the result. Depending on what the ECM sees next, it will either stop flashing the CEL or turn it on steady. In either case, you have not said that your CEL has flashed or that is on steady. That being the case, the injector is not being purposely turned off by the ECM due to a misfire. This brings us back to a failing ECM output driver for that injector.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2013 | 01:38 PM
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It will cause the CEL to flash. Once the flashing starts, the ECM shuts down the injector and monitors the result. Depending on what the ECM sees next, it will either stop flashing the CEL or turn it on steady. In either case, you have not said that your CEL has flashed or that is on steady. That being the case, the injector is not being purposely turned off by the ECM due to a misfire. This brings us back to a failing ECM output driver for that injector.
Correct that there is no CEL in my situation, flashing or steady. The replacement PCM should arrive tomorrow or Tuesday. If the PCM is from another running vehicle with the same numbers do I need to have it reprogrammed or use as-is?
 
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If the PCM is from another running vehicle with the same numbers do I need to have it reprogrammed or use as-is?
As long as the numbers match you should be able to just plug it in and go.
 
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