I don't have limited thinking...I knew someone was going to say what you just did...He did not support Ford in the buying of the car(which is what I said), when he buys parts he will...

Tim

 

Logic dictates that a guy with a 16 your old car is going to buy the cheapest part he can find.....more than likely the made in China part from the local auto parts store. IF he was so inclined to pay 3X the money for an OEM part, chances are it wasn't made in the U.S. either.

So like already stated, buying a used domestic hardly makes one patriotic or Christian.


You didn't, but what difference does it make if a locally owned dealer....import or domestic... sells a foreign part??

Either transaction contributes to the same thing.....worker, taxes, etc...




Again, I take what they say with a grain of salt.......like when you linked the N.American content and it used "Domestic built" vehicles.....I still think that was an underhanded way to sway the numbers.





That is your opinion......and it may be true using current numbers.

But those numbers are changing daily as Ford/GM continue to outsource and the Asians continue to build here.

And while a big chunk of those numbers are bolstered by the content and production location of trucks (now that Ford no longer makes 250's and 350's in Mexico)


It would be a vastly different mix if just cars were used for those figures.





Considering I don't base my patriotism on my truck/car purchase, (I do, however, base my patriotism on my military service) there's nothing you can show me that as many Americans did not benefit from the sale of my Tundra (from R&D, build location, parts content) as they have from my Mexican built, Japanese chassied, 50% part content Lincoln.


Ford, GM and Chrysler laid down the gauntlet years ago when they imported vehicles for no other reason than greed.

They laid off thousands of domestic workers yet still brought in Couriers. LUV's, D-50's, Crickets, Fiestas, Arrows, Capris and countless other models.

I'll buy what I feel is the best value for my money at the time (Lincoln) or what I think is the best in class at the time for me. (Tundra)


If you believe so strongly, maybe you should petition your law makers???

To me, this country was built on free enterprise (among other things) if you can't compete, either step it up or step out.

 

The only reason I included the word "patriotism" was because DOHC threw it out there. I just took the bait.

 

Try a new post, as your post has already been refuted by facts.

 

Simple logic dictates that a far higher percentage of 16 y/o Taurus owners are going to buy Ford/Motorcraft parts than will a Corolla owner.

Who said otherwise? It's hard to argue that an American assembled Ford or Chevy doesn't do more to support the U.S. economy (both directly and indirectly) than a Toyota Tundra purchase, and hence is a more "patriotic" purchase. That doesn't necessarily make one more of a "patriot" though.

Because one purchase supports a company that contributes far more to our local economy than the other. A purchase from Ford helps support 80,000 blue collar U.S. jobs vs. 30,000 for Toyota. White collar and R&D expenditures are even more lopsided.

Except the weak yen is encouraging the Japanese manufacturers to expand in Japan. Toyota has already stated in press releases they do not intend to expand production in the U.S. beyond the new Mississppi plant. So this argument just doesn't hold any water.

Hence the 9 times out of 10 comment. I could argue that the Lincoln purchase does more to indirectly support more American jobs though.

I'm a believer in the free market as well, that doesn't mean I won't purchase according to my own personal protectionist policies though.

 

I guess somethings never change when I'm not here...LOL...Nice pattern I am seeing here...Good Bye

 

I guess if 0>0 then you are correct.


Key word; "American Assembled"

The fact that GM/Ford/Chrysler have/currently import vehicles to call their own blows the whole patriotic argument out of the water.....if they can buy from the Japanese; why can't we???


It also helps support the factories in Mexico/China/India.....where's Ford's loyalty/patriotism???



Glad you acknowledged the MS. plant......when was Ford's last new U.S. factory??? I know they spent 2 billion in Mexico while buying out 30,000 U.S. workers.


Argue away, a lot of the suppliers that supply Toy also supply U.S. makers....N.American content is N.American content.

In fact, Aisan builds transmissions in the U.S. for Toyota, Dodge and GM. (not 100% sure about Ford)



Well, that's the bottom line......we differ on protectionist policies.

I liken them to marxisim/democrats.....take from the rich and give to the poor. (the poor being the downtrodden American auto maker)

Let's buy Jaguar and lose billions.....

Let's buy Aston Martin (not the loss Jag was) but money that could have been used domestically

Let's import cars and trucks instead of putting our own people to work...

Let's do joint ventures with Asian countries; including Korea.

And then cry when we lose market share.


Look, I want Ford to kick butt and take names but I'm not going to buy one just because of some pseudo-patriotic (or religeous) reason.

They need to earn my hard earned money.

 

0>0? Odds are that something > nothing would be the case here.

Fun fact of the day: Toyota has 3 US plants, Ford has 10.

In employing 2.5 times the number of blue collar workers, in spending the bulk of their R&D expenditures in the good 'ole U.S.of A.

Last I checked, 10 > 3 or 4 and 80,000 > 30,000.

And who do you think buys more from these suppliers? The company with 10 assembly plants and 80,000 workers or the company with 3 assembly plants and 30,000 workers?

Aisin supplys the 6-speed transaxle for the Fusion and the Five Hundred/Freestyle up until it became the Taurus/Taurus X. The GM-Ford joint venture 6-speed has already begun phasing out the Aisin 6-speeds. It gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling to see Ford and GM coming together to eliminate Aisin from their products.

Ford has made poor business decisions. So have all of the Big 3. So has Toyota. I'm still not sure how this disqualifies Ford from being more American than Toyota, or from currently doing far more for the U.S. economy.

 

It doesn't make one more American than the other.....that's been my point from the beginning.

The fact remains, that one company is DECREASING its U.S. work force while another INCREASES theirs.


They're both global companies that put one thing ahead of all else......and that is profit. Ford would pull EVERYTHING out of the U.S. and move to Somalia if they thought they could get away with it (as would Toyota)


And while out of order, I'm confident that the guy changing his oil in his 16 year old Taurus OR Corolla is using $1.99 generic filters and $.99 Flag motor oil.

The chances of using a Motorcraft filter/oil in either vehicle is probably the same.



[BTW, if it makes you feel better,(warm and fuzzy?) I use Motorcraft 5W-20 in all my vehicles; including the Tundra]

 

From an FTE FRED thread:

Ford and Toyota named as EPA Energy Star winners | CanadianDriver: Automotive news




Washington, D.C. – The Ford Motor Company and Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing North America Inc. have been named Energy Star award winners by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The two companies were the only automakers named to the list, which highlights 74 organizations noted for reducing greenhouse gas emissions through energy efficiency.

 

Negative, Ghost rider......the bait was cast by someone pretending to be a new member in post #337.

Worked pretty well, too!!!

 

Well then, my mistake.

 

Oh geezuz......you've forced me to use another recycled post :


Let's dissect (one by one) my so-called facts, shall we?...

"Toyota takes some of their profits and builds factories here in the US, creating thousands of American jobs..."
Fact #1


"....While Ford on the otherhand, takes some of their profits, and builds factories in Mexico, creating thousands of Mexican jobs...."
Fact #2


"....all, while closing plants here in the US..."
Fact #3


"....and ONLY supported the "Big Three" (oops, I guess that's the "big Two" now)?..."
Fact #4


"...So now , in the interim, in order for me to be patriotic and support American workers and the American economy, I drive an American-made Toyota (made in California)..."
Fact #5


"...my import Super Duty (made in Mexico)..."
Fact #6


"...and only drive my import Super Duty when my friends aren't looking."
Fact #7

 

Absolutely pathetic. This post contains nothing but "facts" that have either been recently adressed or are irrelevant in context to the discussion at hand.

 

That's IT?......That's all you got???