I hate to say it, but this type of activity is usually the beginning of the end. The navistar produced power stroke will one day be a figment of your imagination. With the complexity of the 6.4, I doubt warranty repairs will improve...Causing more friction between these two companies...It's a sad day to read this expecially between two very old companies that have been sucessful together. New management, new problems... Oh well... I'm sure the other big three will take advantage of this news.

 

look for Navistar International to bring out a line of hvy duty PU style trucks....built in Mexico....leave the antiquated costly US plants behind

International has a rich history of reliable pu trucks

 

Bring on cat, good riddens cornbinder!! seriously though, this could very well be the begining to the end.

 

Ford better have a plan "B" in mind. Maybe Ford/CAT. Now that would be the altimate ride having a 7L CAT in a SuperDuty.

 

Really curious what this means to those who have trucks ordered.......expecting the 6.4???

 

how much does the 6.4 powerstroke weigh?

 

Dude, I really hate to be rude but heres a lesson for you. The only reason the failure of the big three did not happen sooner is the result of their ability to reach deep into the pockets of its suppliers. When steel cost went off the charts, the Big 3 refused to entertain piece price increases that would share in the increase in raw material. Not only did the Big 3 tell their suppliers to "pack sand" on the rising cost of raw materials, they also expected their annual payback, no options, they took it.

So, with all the bankrup suppliers unable to feed the "big 3" machine, the big 3 are now in trouble. These folks have operated to fat and inefficient for to long, this had to happen and the UAW is right along with them.

 

what was in the contract?

 

I'm not sure what your referring to, UAW contract or part supplier contract?

 

UAW,big 3 and US in general has suffered from the ongoing higher need and demand from YES "CHINA"

China is king of the hill in everything they own the world just about but hey I'll take 1 of them 7.0 cats SD's if they offer them to us;now that would be a true king of the hill!

 

I guess the one stating the price. I don't know how the contracts work, but can you easily change the terms? I always thought a contract was binding. anyways on the brighter side 25,000 engines were reported shipped.

 

If material cost rises such as it did with metals ( thanks China) the supplier eats the increase. Seldom is there success in trying to renegotiate.

To boot, the big three and a few others will let you have full quoted price the first year. After that, the supplier starts reducing the original price 3 to 5% every year.

The big 3 will not or I should say seldom entertain price adjustment. Honda on the other hand has been awesome to work with.

Man, i just love the spell check of this forum, its fantastic.

 

For all those speculating that the current lawsuit will hold up shipment of Superduty's equipped with the 6.4 or future shipments let's not jump to conclusions, nor create rumors that simply have no basis with the limited info we have at hand. The sky is not falling, If Nav is indeed in breech of contract Ford has every right to demand payment. Other aspect to this would be if Nav stops shipping 6.4's they would be in a second breech of contract. Could be quite costly to their bottom line.

In Ford's current state without a backup they need Nav as much as Nav needs Ford.

Now what this means for the future I don't know, but I would say the most significant factor being weighed in the future of Ford/Nav is how this engine performs.

 

i would say at this point its now how it will perform, it wheather there will be a diesel option or not.

 

$1,490 for a 5-speed auto tranny would be MSRP price. always look for a invoice price. allow dealer to tack on no more than $500 at the end of any total price of a vehicle if you used all invoce prices.