Anyone else have a leaky pinion seal?
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Anyone else have a leaky pinion seal?
I have a 99' supercab dually w/ a dana 80.I had it for about two months.I noticed the pinion seal is leaking.I had it on the interstate for the first time and i have a whine.Im still not shure if its the agressive tires or the pinion bearing.I was just wondering if this is common.
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You need to pull off the pinion yoke and then you can remove and replace the seal. Then you have to put a new crush sleeve in and adjust the preload on the pinion bearings. Its not a simple task because if do not set preload correctly you will toast the bearing and could destroy the ring and pinion.
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Originally Posted by John311t
You need to pull off the pinion yoke and then you can remove and replace the seal. Then you have to put a new crush sleeve in and adjust the preload on the pinion bearings. Its not a simple task because if do not set preload correctly you will toast the bearing and could destroy the ring and pinion.
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#8
My parts book says the dana 80 has a crush sleve, although I've never been inside of one. I've done quite a few pinion seals in the past. Here's how I do it.
Replacing the pinion seal is not for the faint of heart, at least the first couple times. There's big $$ in the diff's. (My disclaimer)
You will need a very acurate dial-type inch pound torque wrench to replace the pinion seal. Clicker types will NOT work, and a way to hold the pinion flange when removing and installing the pinion nut. I made one, big square with a long handle.
You need to take a rotational reading on the pinion flange with the brakes retracted and the axles removed. Usually 8-15 inch pounds, most repair manuals list the amount. My inch pound wrench has a tattletale that stops at the highest reading so you don't need to watch the dial. I do it a couple times looking for a good feel on the wrench. Be smooth, No jerking.
Remove the nut and inspect the pinion flange where the seal rides. If there is a groove, replace the flange. (Highmark18 this ones for you).
Count the number of threads exposed on the pinion nut. Be accurate and mark the location on the pinion itself where you counted the theads.
The new pinion seal will add about 5 inch pounds of torque (also listed in the repair manuals), so you need to add that to the number you got above.
After installing the new seal, be sure to lube everything, tighten the pinion nut back to the desired location (exposed threads above). Sneak-up on it, No impact wrenches. You're going to sweat a little. LOL Take rotational reading until you have the desired amount. If the repair manual lists a specific pinion nut torque then go ahead and use it, but the rotational torque is what you're looking for.
If you didn't install a new pinion nut be sure to add some locktight just to be sure. Also, I like to add a litte sealant to the back of nut to keep the diff fluid from seeping past the threads. Some nuts have a rubber seal on the back just for this reason.
I may have forgot something, however I' sure someone else will chime in.
BTW: You don't need to drain the oil, but it's a good time if you want to.
Replacing the pinion seal is not for the faint of heart, at least the first couple times. There's big $$ in the diff's. (My disclaimer)
You will need a very acurate dial-type inch pound torque wrench to replace the pinion seal. Clicker types will NOT work, and a way to hold the pinion flange when removing and installing the pinion nut. I made one, big square with a long handle.
You need to take a rotational reading on the pinion flange with the brakes retracted and the axles removed. Usually 8-15 inch pounds, most repair manuals list the amount. My inch pound wrench has a tattletale that stops at the highest reading so you don't need to watch the dial. I do it a couple times looking for a good feel on the wrench. Be smooth, No jerking.
Remove the nut and inspect the pinion flange where the seal rides. If there is a groove, replace the flange. (Highmark18 this ones for you).
Count the number of threads exposed on the pinion nut. Be accurate and mark the location on the pinion itself where you counted the theads.
The new pinion seal will add about 5 inch pounds of torque (also listed in the repair manuals), so you need to add that to the number you got above.
After installing the new seal, be sure to lube everything, tighten the pinion nut back to the desired location (exposed threads above). Sneak-up on it, No impact wrenches. You're going to sweat a little. LOL Take rotational reading until you have the desired amount. If the repair manual lists a specific pinion nut torque then go ahead and use it, but the rotational torque is what you're looking for.
If you didn't install a new pinion nut be sure to add some locktight just to be sure. Also, I like to add a litte sealant to the back of nut to keep the diff fluid from seeping past the threads. Some nuts have a rubber seal on the back just for this reason.
I may have forgot something, however I' sure someone else will chime in.
BTW: You don't need to drain the oil, but it's a good time if you want to.
Last edited by Cuda_jim; 07-13-2006 at 12:54 PM.
#10
When I replaced mine, I specifically went to the dealership and asked about re-tightening the yoke nut. The Service Manager (who is a friend of mine) plainly told me "Just tighten it up, give it a few hits with the air gun, and you are done, that is all we do." That is all I did on this one, and the one I did a couple years ago (which now has over 240,000 miles on it.
By no means am I saying you are wrong, just stating what I was told. Your way is probably way more precise.
By no means am I saying you are wrong, just stating what I was told. Your way is probably way more precise.
Last edited by Highmark18; 07-13-2006 at 04:32 PM.
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#12
Originally Posted by Cuda_jim
Darn good point. I totally forgot about that one. Too much pressure in the diff and fluid goes out the weakest seal.
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