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Old May 9, 2023 | 12:09 AM
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Intermittent MCU functionality

Newbie here, thanks in advance for efforts expended contemplating my problem.

1994 F350 gas guzzler. It refused to start, and symptoms (unwillingness to provide OBD codes and fuel pump which would not shut off) led me to remove the MCU, on which I replaced the electrolytics and a resistor in series with the 10uF electrolytic. After replacing the MCU, there was no change in behavior. I tightened the connector bolt a bit more and MCU was working again, providing codes, turning off fuel pump, and allowing the engine to purr. I came back the next day, and failure mode. I wiggled wires, fuses, relays, etc. with key on to listen for fuel pump to shut off, no luck. I took a phone call, and while I was gone 5 minutes and came back, the fuel pump was off, it started right up, provided codes (EGR problem no surprise). I’ve checked grounds and voltage always above 12 volts. This has cycled between working and non working mode now several times, I’m stumped.

Any ideas as to what might be causing this mysterious intermittency?
 
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Old May 9, 2023 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Glebis
Newbie here, thanks in advance for efforts expended contemplating my problem.

1994 F350 gas guzzler. It refused to start, and symptoms (unwillingness to provide OBD codes and fuel pump which would not shut off) led me to remove the MCU, on which I replaced the electrolytics and a resistor in series with the 10uF electrolytic. After replacing the MCU, there was no change in behavior. I tightened the connector bolt a bit more and MCU was working again, providing codes, turning off fuel pump, and allowing the engine to purr. I came back the next day, and failure mode. I wiggled wires, fuses, relays, etc. with key on to listen for fuel pump to shut off, no luck. I took a phone call, and while I was gone 5 minutes and came back, the fuel pump was off, it started right up, provided codes (EGR problem no surprise). I’ve checked grounds and voltage always above 12 volts. This has cycled between working and non working mode now several times, I’m stumped.

Any ideas as to what might be causing this mysterious intermittency?
That's a good riddle. I don't know of anything external to the ECU that would cause the fuel pump to run continuously and not provide any codes. I suspect your ECU is on the fritz and needs to be replaced. If you're handy and patient, you may be able to look at your ECU with a magnifying glass to find a broke solder joint. I'm pretty sure the ECU logic and timing circuit are fed from the 5v voltage regulator. Next time it starts acting up, grab a multimeter and check between sig-rtn on your EEC test connector and ground. It should be 5v. If it's 0v, then your 5 volt regulator is failing or one of your sensors is shorting it out.

 
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Old May 9, 2023 | 07:19 PM
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While you have the ECU open if you go that route, check for failed capacitors.
 
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Next time it starts acting up, grab a multimeter and check between sig-rtn on your EEC test connector and ground. It should be 5v. If it's 0v, then your 5 volt regulator is failing or one of your sensors is shorting it out.
Signal Return is electrically the same as ground. It is a dedicated path to ground for several key sensors and the ground the computer applies to energize the fuel pump relay. It should measure 0 VDC with the meter referenced to ground.
 
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Thanks for the input, I tested the voltage at the test port as advised and its 5 volts.
 
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I replaced the electrolytics in the MCU, the problem persists. Thank you for the input.
 
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Caps replaced, thanks for your input.
 
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