1995 F150 351W Build Thread
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Well.. the Lightning guys usually end up advancing this cam 2-4 degrees because they complain it's weak at low rpms.. for what that's worth. Weak compared to what I don't know but any 5.8 will have more grunt than a 5.0 so it's all relative, but if you have one of these cams kicking around then use it with 1.7 rockers, but if not get the Comp 35-512-8 instead and install it straight up with 1.6 rockers.
I may advance the timing a hair anyway though.
I'm not a cam expert by any means. How much difference would there be between the HO cam with 1.7 rockers and the Comp Cams with 1.6 rockers?
My truck still has to pass sniffer test. Will this cam selection affect that any?
#18
I've been waiting for this thread Tex! Coming up to play with the big boys now, I see. I think you'll be satisfied with how this engine makes its power compared to the 5.0L.
What are you doing for the ecm? I would assume your truck is mass air. Custom tune or aftermarket tuning yourself?
What are you doing for the ecm? I would assume your truck is mass air. Custom tune or aftermarket tuning yourself?
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The op said it.
I have 2 kicking around my shop and doubt I'll ever use them in anything but a stock build that I don't get a cam for.
I'd never buy one on eBay or cl just cause a good new cam is darn cheap.
Granted, if you're only looking for minimal gain it's fine to use. Because its better then the stock cam in my 90 by far.
But again. If I have my motor all apart that far and have spent a bit of money on it already, I'd rather put in a cam that will work better and make me much happier.
I have 2 kicking around my shop and doubt I'll ever use them in anything but a stock build that I don't get a cam for.
I'd never buy one on eBay or cl just cause a good new cam is darn cheap.
Granted, if you're only looking for minimal gain it's fine to use. Because its better then the stock cam in my 90 by far.
But again. If I have my motor all apart that far and have spent a bit of money on it already, I'd rather put in a cam that will work better and make me much happier.
#22
I just hate to see anyone go through all that work to build a nice motor with pretty matched parts and then bottleneck it with a cam choice.
Sorry for Going crazy on your topic tex. wasn't ment to be negative.
Conanski has a bit of experiance in the cam swap area. Listen to him and you'll be golden.
I'll be going with the comp cam if I stay with 351. If I go close to 400cid I'll be looking for something different though. Maybe not. I'm planning on a blower so that cam may work the way I want on a 400 with blower. We will see once I get closer.
Sorry for Going crazy on your topic tex. wasn't ment to be negative.
Conanski has a bit of experiance in the cam swap area. Listen to him and you'll be golden.
I'll be going with the comp cam if I stay with 351. If I go close to 400cid I'll be looking for something different though. Maybe not. I'm planning on a blower so that cam may work the way I want on a 400 with blower. We will see once I get closer.
#23
I noticed something interesting about the fan shrouds. My 5.0 shroud is 7 inches deep, and the fan sits almost all the way inside the shroud. The one from the 5.8 truck is 5.5 inches deep, and the fan sits about half in and half out of the shroud. I noticed that the Lightnings I saw also seem to have the thinner shroud. I didn't measure those though. Which shroud is better. Why would there be a need to two different ones?
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so choke it down and put in a smaller cam to make it run like a 5liter and there you have it
i hated ford for doing what they did. the 5.8 didnt even get a knock sensor
the 5.8 has such a short lower in take because it seems as though they wanted the 5liter and the 5.8 to fit in the same height space. If you use the van for example, the 302 and the 351 dont have any more room at the top of the intake then each other. (thats my observation and conclusion)
the 351 definatly should have gotten at least the same size runners as the 302, but again, ford seems as though they wanted to restrict the 351 for some reason.
#29
"Shrouded" in secrecy...
Shroud depth is determined by the radiator thickness not the engine size. Both 302s & 351s came with the lighter duty (~1" depth) radiators as well as the heavy duty, sometimes referred to as "Super Cooling", (~2.5" depth). If upgrading the radiator on a truck with either engine try to locate the appropriate [shorter] shroud. Incidentally, 460s used the same radiator (the thicker one only) so a shroud from a 460 should also work... unless you to do an e-fan swap. Then you will not need a factory shroud.
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Yeah it certainly looks like a F-up, but it could have been a deliberate attempt to strangle the motor to meet emissions as well.. that was the predominate modus operandi for domestic auto manufacturers through the '80's.