i dont have a clear shot of my browning but here are a few pics of me with it and some game







id say my rifle is a keeper its killed everything i have shot at

 

Dave has a point, here.
I've got 3 K98k rifles, all in 7.92x57mm (aka/8mm Mauser). However, I do have a .30-'06 barrel with the original Mauser contour, that I'm going to use, to change-out the least accurate of my K98k(s).

I'm also a BIG Remington 700 fan. (Pre merger w/half of the firearms industry!)

Marlin lever guns, pre-merger with Remington. (Too many issues regarding turning experienced gun builders out to pasture and moving equipment to Ilion, NY.) Lots of problems with 'new' Marlin rifles (aka/"Remlin" or "Marlington").

About the best 'bang for the buck' is Savage rifles, right now.

I got a .243 Youth gun for my son, and it'll shoot 1" groups at 100 yds with most factory ammo we've tried.

 

This is the first time I have ever heard someone say they hated the Rem700. Kind of shocked me. It is the rifle that all other commercial products are compared to. So if sonny wants Remington, get him one. Smart kid.

It is also true that the Remington trigger is not what it used to be. The cure is actually easy and reasonably priced.

Rem 700 w/safety

For budget priced imported rifles, I like Howa.

 

I do as much long range target shooting as I can sneak in, A remington 700 in either 243 or 22-250 are prime choices, sometimes, I go a little longer when I can find a range.

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Fixed it for ya.

 

Winchesters are fine, but it was Remington competition that forced Winchester to redesign in '64, and they haven't been the same since. I'm sure numberdummy doesn't own any post '64 examples. Far too recent for your excellent collection.

 

Have 4 bolts: 6mm Model 1895 Winchester-Lee Navy Sporter (only 1700 made and this 1895 is a bolt, not a lever); SMLE factory converted to .30-06; 8 x 57 J. P. Sauer-Mauser Sporter; .30US 1898 nickel plated Krag musket (used in parades).

One .35 Remington Model 8 semi-auto (you've seen it and Steve shot it, wouldn't be surprised if his shoulder is still on the mend).

The rest are levers.

 

I am with Bill on this, winchester was the standard with the mauser type actions being the premium. Remington has been a at best third place contender for years. I have shot a few and never found one that I would spend the asking price on. not saying they are a bad gun, just saying your paying a premium for a name that honestly is average quality at best.

Example the guy I hunt with bought a used but not that old of a Remington 25-06. he couldn't get it to group worth a hill of beans using factory or handloads. tried a couple different scops etc and always ran a 3" group at best. Took it to a gun smith who found that they hadn't done a good job cutting the riflings the length of the barrel. (actually missed about 1/2" of rifling part way down the barrel) It also had a sloppy action that when operated quickly would bind. got the action fixed and decided to rebarrel. when they took the barrel off they found that not only was it not rifled all the way but the chamber was actually cut crooked. There was a ridge at the throat.

Gun smith took the barrel and put in the pile of other remington 700 barrels that he has replaced lately do to sloppy machine work.

They used to be a decent mid range gun years and years ago. now I wouldn't buy one unless it was at a very deep discount

 

Opinions vary, and I respect them all. But I would challenge your gunsmith on that statement. The reason he has a pile of them is because they are one of the best platforms for building a custom rifle, which always begins with a premium barrel. So naturally all smiths collect a pile of them.

But yeah, they are just a production barrel, as good as any other off the shelf brand. If you get a great barrel on a production model, you simply got lucky.

I don't buy them any more because their reputation has driven the price above the value.

 

No actually he builds custom rifles on commercial Mauser 98 actions. They are a LOT stronger, and out of the factory 10x the action that a Remington or a post 64 Winchester is. Most of those barrels are from guys that are complaining about not being able to get under 2" groups with them. Granted that is good enough for minute of deer, and when most people are honest that was a decent rifle in the 70s but most everyone else has rifles shooting MOA groups anymore.

That was actually my point. You are paying for the name nto the quality.

Kind of like buying snapon tools. You pay 3x as much for a snapon tool box as you do a international tools toolbox. But they are the same thing (international builds snap ons tool boxes in canada) and you can buy an extreme tools box built in the US for even less money and their standard line is better then what snapon sells without getting into the premium stuff.

in the case of Remington 700s you can buy as good if not better rifles for a LOT less money that don't need to be taken in and modified or pay even more money for a Timeny trigger to get them to shoot right. Remington relies on a reputation built 50 yrs ago, they have not improved the workmanship or engineering of their rifles since that tmie and have been passed by pretty much everyone else.

I will give remington one thing tho. They are "pretty" rifles. they usually have nice looking stocks and bluing etc. but my rifles get used not looked at.

 

BTW not saying Remington is junk, just saying they are over hyped and priced for the quality. They are not the benchmark rifle IMHO

I rank them right with a lot of the imports like the Howa or maybe the Tikka. They are ok just not worth paying a premium for.

 

The Savage 303 was really ahead of its time when it came out. Hunters choice back than. Really packs a punch. Spead the work on the new ammo. The more people with the 303 that knows about the new ammo supply, the lower the price will go and the longer it will be in supply. Buffalo Arms in Ponderay, ID
Fritz

 

I'm mo genius, but why pay top of the line price knowing that I'm going to have to spend more money for a good trigger, if I can buy another gun that comes with one from the factory?

 

One reason would be because that is what the young man wants. That was my only point, really. You must be some kind of control freak!

 

Sooooo you give your kids whatever they want as soon as they think want it? What does that teach them?

I will buy him a 700 if that is what he really wants after he carefully considers the options, and I can't find where I have indicated otherwise. But at this point in time, he's never even shot a 700, he's strictly going off of what he's read about them on the internet. I'm just trying in this thread to get information on what other options I should present to him, not trying to convince him not to buy a 700 or get opinions on my parenting skills.