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#61
01-08-2011, 04:41 PM
Good Afternoon Everyone. Mark great to hear from you. Yea Social security is a bit tricky if you under 50 or early 50s. They have a way of fighting you on & on. But in time you should prevail.
As for me I'm enjoying the heck out of this wonderful lovely weather. Temps in the high 60s, I'm in heaven.
I'm waiting for a trailer washing company to come clean the outside of my trailer. It is a mess & this outfits washes & waxes for $35. The park office is the one that referred them. They do a lot of trailers & motorhomes here & do good work. I might just fall into real retirement if I'm not careful. As long as the wife is willing to work I have it made. But I had to help her get through college so I do my part. We made an agreement many years ago & I'm blessed to have a wonderful woman as a wife.
Craig
#62
01-08-2011, 05:31 PM
Here is the MSNBC version.
This is a sad day in my opinion. Boy will the ANTI GUN people be on this. Watch for laws to change very quickly. GUN CONTROL here it comes. Because of some crazed idiot. Or was this part of the BIG PLAN????
Craig
Congresswoman Giffords, others shot in Ariz.
At least 5 killed, including 9-year-old child in shooting outside Tucson store
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday when a...
>>> good afternoon, everyone. i'm amex whit here at nbc world headquarters. we're cutting into our program with breaking news. we're being told by various sources both npr as well as a local tucson newspaper that arizona congresswoman gabrielle giffords has been shot. we do not know the circumstances and details of how she was shot. we were told, however, that according to this one resource at pr she was holding a public event in tucson outside of a grocery store there. this is according to arizona public media . giffords was hosting her first congress on your corner event. it happened at the safeway in northwest tucson . apparently, according to these reports that nbc news has yet to confirm, a gunman ran up to her and started shooting. this is according to a news director from the arizona public media . we're also told at least five other people, including members of her own staff, have been hurt. gi giffor giffords' condition is not known. we have heard erroneous reports of the location of her shooting but we'll save that until i get confirmation from nbc news. she was talking to a couple, apparently, when the man ran up firing rather indiscriminately and then took off. we'll getting this again from the arizona public media . there are other witnesses who are coming forward. apparently the person who did the shooting was tackled by a bystander and then taken into custody. solet goes
Show transcript
BREAKING NEWS
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday when an assailant opened fire outside a grocery store during a meeting with constituents, killing at least five people and injuring several others in a rampage that rattled the nation.
Giffords was among at least 18 people shot, and the hospital said her outlook was "optimistic" and that she was responding.
"She's in critical condition," Dr. Peter Rhee said. "The neurosurgeons have finished operating on her and I can tell you that in the current time period I am very optimistic about recovery ... she was following commands."
Rhee described Giffords' wound as "through-and-through ... It went through her brain."
The hospital said a 9-year-old child was among the killed, and a federal judge was also fatally shot.
'Senseless and terrible'
Police say the shooter was in custody, and was identified by people familiar with the investigation as Jared Loughner, 22. Pima County Sheriff's officials said he used a pistol to carry out the shooting spree. U.S. officials who provided his name to the AP spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release it publicly.
The shooting prompted an outpouring of sympathy from politicians and people around the country.
President Barrack Obama called the shooting "an unspeakable tragedy" and that such "a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society."
Obama sent his FBI director to oversee the investigation.
"It's not surprising that today Gabby was doing what she always does, listening to the hopes and concerns of her neighbors," Obama said in a nationally televised news conference. "That is the essence of what our democracy is about."
Gabrielle Giffords
Federal law enforcement officials were poring over captured versions of a MySpace page that belonged to Jared Loughner and over Youtube video published to the Internet weeks ago under an account "Classitup10" and linked to him. The MySpace page, which was removed within minutes of the gunman being identified by U.S. officials, included a mysterious "Goodbye friends" message published hours before the shooting and exhorted his friends to "Please don't be mad at me."
In one of several Youtube videos, which featured text against a dark background, Loughner described inventing a new U.S. currency and complained about the illiteracy rate among people living in Giffords' congressional district in Arizona. Two spellings of his last name were given in the aftermath of the shooting — Loughner and Laughner.
"I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People," Loughner wrote. "Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen (sic)."
Rampage
Three hours after the shooting, the L-shaped shopping center in Tucson was blocked off by police and had fire trucks and other vehicles in its parking lot that blocked the view of the store's front door. No shell casing could be seen from the area 500 yards from the store where reporters and photographers were kept.
Outside Giffords' office on Capitol Hill, a handful of congressional staffers could be seen walking into her office without comment, some with roller bags and one who was in tears. About a half dozen yellow flowers, placed by one mourner, sat outside the door.
U.S. Marshal for Arizona David Gonzales confirmed that U.S. District Judge John Roll also died in the attack. Roll was the chief judge in Arizona, appointed in 1991 by the first President Bush, NBC News reported.
Giffords, 40, was re-elected to her third term last November. She was a member of the Arizona House and Senate before coming to Washington.
Giffords tweeted shortly before the shooting, describing her "Congress on Your Corner" event: "My 1st Congress on Your Corner starts now. Please stop by to let me know what is on your mind or tweet me later."
Giffords is married to astronaut Mark E. Kelly, who has piloted space shuttles Endeavour and Discovery. The two met in China in 2003 while they were serving on a committee there, and were married in January 2007. He was expected to arrive at the hospital Saturday evening, NBC News reported. Sen. Bill Nelson, chairman of the Senate Commerce Space and Science Subcommittee, said her husband is training to be the next commander of the space shuttle mission slated for April. His brother is currently serving aboard the International Space Station, he said.
Threats
Giffords was first elected to Congress amid a wave of Democratic victories in the 2006 election, and she won a narrow victory against a tea party favorite in the 2010 election.
She has been mentioned as a possible Democratic nominee in 2012 for the U.S. Senate seat held by Republican Jon Kyl, who has not said whether he'll run again, or for the governor's office in 2014.
The shooting comes amid a highly charged political environment that has seen several dangerous threats against lawmakers but nothing that reached the point of actual violence.
A San Francisco man upset with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's support of health care reform pleaded guilty to threatening the Democratic congresswoman and her family, calling her directly on March 25 and threatening to destroy her Northern California home if she voted for health care reform.
In July, a California man known for his anger over left-leaning politics engaged in a shootout with highway patrol officers after planning an attack on the ACLU and another nonprofit group. The man said he wanted to "start a revolution" by killing people at the ACLU and the Tides Foundation.
Giffords herself has drawn the ire of the right, especially for her support of the health care bill from politicians like Sarah Palin.
Her Tucson office was vandalized a few hours after the House vote to approve the health care law in March, with someone either kicking or shooting out a glass door and window. In an interview after the vandalism, Giffords referred to the animosity against her by conservatives. Palin listed Giffords' seat as one of the top "targets" in the midterm elections because of the lawmakers' support for the health care law.
"For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.
Video: Rep. Giffords target of harassment, threats (on this page)
In the hours after the shooting, Palin issued a statement in which she expressed her "sincere condolences" to the family of Giffords and the other victims.
Capitol police responded to the shooting by advising lawmakers and their staff to "take reasonable and prudent precautions regarding their personal security."
Despite her clashes with the right, Giffords describes herself as a former Republican and current Blue Dog Democrat.
"You know, actually as a former Republican, you know, I consider myself someone who is pretty in the middle, I'm a blue dog Democrat, and one that is interested in making sure that our country maintains our prosperity and frankly, our superiority over other countries and that's where we look at these threat, obviously our defense budget, our level of education," she said in an interview with Fox News Channel this week.
Vigil outside hospital
Hours after the shooting, a group of women wept, hugged and clutched votive candles at a vigil outside Tucson's University Medical Center.
"I am in shock, I am in deep sadness, I ask myself why? Why do we keep killing our good people? I remember (John F.) Kennedy, I remember Martin Luther King. And I feel anger, but I also feel the basis of this is fear and racism," said Dorsett Edmunds, 67, a physical therapist, as she clutched a votive candle and wept.
Linda Ray, 66, who worked on all of Giffords' campaigns, said she feared the shooting would lead to more divisiveness in U.S. politics.
"The thing that's so powerful about this — is that Gabrielle Giffords' district is predominantly Republican. In order to win that district, I worked shoulder to shoulder with Republicans ... it was a model for what this country should be."
A half-a-dozen people sat on the lawn in front of the hospital with bunches of flowers.
Kevin Dahl, 54, a conservationist, said he viewed Giffords as one of the most intelligent and thoughtful voices in Congress.
"We live in a time of polarized politics where hate is acceptable. This is the exact opposite of democracy. I am ashamed of my state," he said.
Jason Brown said he was an intern for Giffords in both her Tucson and Washington offices.
"I was a witness to the threats she got at her office by phone and in letters. Then to see it play out today, it was all real. I was incredibly shocked, depressed for my country."
Lawmakers urged to take precaution
Meanwhile, officers with the Capitol Police force advised members of the House and their aides to "take reasonable and prudent precautions" about their own security in the wake of the shooting.
In an e-mail obtained by The Associated Press, the Capitol Police say they were directly involved in the investigation of the shooting.
This is a breaking news story, check back for details. The Associated Press, Reuters and NBC News contributed to this report.
© 2011 msnbc.com
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At least 5 killed, including 9-year-old child in shooting outside Tucson store
Junichiro Yakazama
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A person may not like the politicians in office, but come on...terrorism does nothing to engender a free and open society.
”
How the Tea Baggers, Rush, Hannity, Beck and the Hooter's Fox Network contribute to this type of behavior. The have helped to promote hate. They are as guilty as the shooter. McCain hasn't help either as well as the dumb one from Alaska.
This is a sad day in my opinion. Boy will the ANTI GUN people be on this. Watch for laws to change very quickly. GUN CONTROL here it comes. Because of some crazed idiot. Or was this part of the BIG PLAN????
Craig
Congresswoman Giffords, others shot in Ariz.
At least 5 killed, including 9-year-old child in shooting outside Tucson store
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday when a...
>>> good afternoon, everyone. i'm amex whit here at nbc world headquarters. we're cutting into our program with breaking news. we're being told by various sources both npr as well as a local tucson newspaper that arizona congresswoman gabrielle giffords has been shot. we do not know the circumstances and details of how she was shot. we were told, however, that according to this one resource at pr she was holding a public event in tucson outside of a grocery store there. this is according to arizona public media . giffords was hosting her first congress on your corner event. it happened at the safeway in northwest tucson . apparently, according to these reports that nbc news has yet to confirm, a gunman ran up to her and started shooting. this is according to a news director from the arizona public media . we're also told at least five other people, including members of her own staff, have been hurt. gi giffor giffords' condition is not known. we have heard erroneous reports of the location of her shooting but we'll save that until i get confirmation from nbc news. she was talking to a couple, apparently, when the man ran up firing rather indiscriminately and then took off. we'll getting this again from the arizona public media . there are other witnesses who are coming forward. apparently the person who did the shooting was tackled by a bystander and then taken into custody. solet goes
Show transcript
BREAKING NEWS
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday when an assailant opened fire outside a grocery store during a meeting with constituents, killing at least five people and injuring several others in a rampage that rattled the nation.
Giffords was among at least 18 people shot, and the hospital said her outlook was "optimistic" and that she was responding.
"She's in critical condition," Dr. Peter Rhee said. "The neurosurgeons have finished operating on her and I can tell you that in the current time period I am very optimistic about recovery ... she was following commands."
Rhee described Giffords' wound as "through-and-through ... It went through her brain."
The hospital said a 9-year-old child was among the killed, and a federal judge was also fatally shot.
'Senseless and terrible'
Police say the shooter was in custody, and was identified by people familiar with the investigation as Jared Loughner, 22. Pima County Sheriff's officials said he used a pistol to carry out the shooting spree. U.S. officials who provided his name to the AP spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release it publicly.
The shooting prompted an outpouring of sympathy from politicians and people around the country.
President Barrack Obama called the shooting "an unspeakable tragedy" and that such "a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society."
Obama sent his FBI director to oversee the investigation.
"It's not surprising that today Gabby was doing what she always does, listening to the hopes and concerns of her neighbors," Obama said in a nationally televised news conference. "That is the essence of what our democracy is about."
Gabrielle Giffords
Federal law enforcement officials were poring over captured versions of a MySpace page that belonged to Jared Loughner and over Youtube video published to the Internet weeks ago under an account "Classitup10" and linked to him. The MySpace page, which was removed within minutes of the gunman being identified by U.S. officials, included a mysterious "Goodbye friends" message published hours before the shooting and exhorted his friends to "Please don't be mad at me."
In one of several Youtube videos, which featured text against a dark background, Loughner described inventing a new U.S. currency and complained about the illiteracy rate among people living in Giffords' congressional district in Arizona. Two spellings of his last name were given in the aftermath of the shooting — Loughner and Laughner.
"I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People," Loughner wrote. "Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen (sic)."
Rampage
Three hours after the shooting, the L-shaped shopping center in Tucson was blocked off by police and had fire trucks and other vehicles in its parking lot that blocked the view of the store's front door. No shell casing could be seen from the area 500 yards from the store where reporters and photographers were kept.
Outside Giffords' office on Capitol Hill, a handful of congressional staffers could be seen walking into her office without comment, some with roller bags and one who was in tears. About a half dozen yellow flowers, placed by one mourner, sat outside the door.
U.S. Marshal for Arizona David Gonzales confirmed that U.S. District Judge John Roll also died in the attack. Roll was the chief judge in Arizona, appointed in 1991 by the first President Bush, NBC News reported.
Giffords, 40, was re-elected to her third term last November. She was a member of the Arizona House and Senate before coming to Washington.
Giffords tweeted shortly before the shooting, describing her "Congress on Your Corner" event: "My 1st Congress on Your Corner starts now. Please stop by to let me know what is on your mind or tweet me later."
Giffords is married to astronaut Mark E. Kelly, who has piloted space shuttles Endeavour and Discovery. The two met in China in 2003 while they were serving on a committee there, and were married in January 2007. He was expected to arrive at the hospital Saturday evening, NBC News reported. Sen. Bill Nelson, chairman of the Senate Commerce Space and Science Subcommittee, said her husband is training to be the next commander of the space shuttle mission slated for April. His brother is currently serving aboard the International Space Station, he said.
Threats
Giffords was first elected to Congress amid a wave of Democratic victories in the 2006 election, and she won a narrow victory against a tea party favorite in the 2010 election.
She has been mentioned as a possible Democratic nominee in 2012 for the U.S. Senate seat held by Republican Jon Kyl, who has not said whether he'll run again, or for the governor's office in 2014.
The shooting comes amid a highly charged political environment that has seen several dangerous threats against lawmakers but nothing that reached the point of actual violence.
A San Francisco man upset with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's support of health care reform pleaded guilty to threatening the Democratic congresswoman and her family, calling her directly on March 25 and threatening to destroy her Northern California home if she voted for health care reform.
In July, a California man known for his anger over left-leaning politics engaged in a shootout with highway patrol officers after planning an attack on the ACLU and another nonprofit group. The man said he wanted to "start a revolution" by killing people at the ACLU and the Tides Foundation.
Giffords herself has drawn the ire of the right, especially for her support of the health care bill from politicians like Sarah Palin.
Her Tucson office was vandalized a few hours after the House vote to approve the health care law in March, with someone either kicking or shooting out a glass door and window. In an interview after the vandalism, Giffords referred to the animosity against her by conservatives. Palin listed Giffords' seat as one of the top "targets" in the midterm elections because of the lawmakers' support for the health care law.
"For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.
Video: Rep. Giffords target of harassment, threats (on this page)
In the hours after the shooting, Palin issued a statement in which she expressed her "sincere condolences" to the family of Giffords and the other victims.
Capitol police responded to the shooting by advising lawmakers and their staff to "take reasonable and prudent precautions regarding their personal security."
Despite her clashes with the right, Giffords describes herself as a former Republican and current Blue Dog Democrat.
"You know, actually as a former Republican, you know, I consider myself someone who is pretty in the middle, I'm a blue dog Democrat, and one that is interested in making sure that our country maintains our prosperity and frankly, our superiority over other countries and that's where we look at these threat, obviously our defense budget, our level of education," she said in an interview with Fox News Channel this week.
Vigil outside hospital
Hours after the shooting, a group of women wept, hugged and clutched votive candles at a vigil outside Tucson's University Medical Center.
"I am in shock, I am in deep sadness, I ask myself why? Why do we keep killing our good people? I remember (John F.) Kennedy, I remember Martin Luther King. And I feel anger, but I also feel the basis of this is fear and racism," said Dorsett Edmunds, 67, a physical therapist, as she clutched a votive candle and wept.
Linda Ray, 66, who worked on all of Giffords' campaigns, said she feared the shooting would lead to more divisiveness in U.S. politics.
"The thing that's so powerful about this — is that Gabrielle Giffords' district is predominantly Republican. In order to win that district, I worked shoulder to shoulder with Republicans ... it was a model for what this country should be."
A half-a-dozen people sat on the lawn in front of the hospital with bunches of flowers.
Kevin Dahl, 54, a conservationist, said he viewed Giffords as one of the most intelligent and thoughtful voices in Congress.
"We live in a time of polarized politics where hate is acceptable. This is the exact opposite of democracy. I am ashamed of my state," he said.
Jason Brown said he was an intern for Giffords in both her Tucson and Washington offices.
"I was a witness to the threats she got at her office by phone and in letters. Then to see it play out today, it was all real. I was incredibly shocked, depressed for my country."
Lawmakers urged to take precaution
Meanwhile, officers with the Capitol Police force advised members of the House and their aides to "take reasonable and prudent precautions" about their own security in the wake of the shooting.
In an e-mail obtained by The Associated Press, the Capitol Police say they were directly involved in the investigation of the shooting.
This is a breaking news story, check back for details. The Associated Press, Reuters and NBC News contributed to this report.
© 2011 msnbc.com
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Discuss: Congresswoman Giffords, others shot in Ariz.
1786 total comments
At least 5 killed, including 9-year-old child in shooting outside Tucson store
Junichiro Yakazama
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A person may not like the politicians in office, but come on...terrorism does nothing to engender a free and open society.
”
How the Tea Baggers, Rush, Hannity, Beck and the Hooter's Fox Network contribute to this type of behavior. The have helped to promote hate. They are as guilty as the shooter. McCain hasn't help either as well as the dumb one from Alaska.
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01-08-2011, 07:10 PM
gabby is a friend of our families.
the scairest thing is my father is with her during most all of these in tucson.
instead he picked me up this morn and we headed for work.
this is horrible. this is not to be taken litly. jared lee loughner needs to get his punishment from the end of the colt 45 he used...
im disgusted at some people in this state/world..
the scairest thing is my father is with her during most all of these in tucson.
instead he picked me up this morn and we headed for work.
this is horrible. this is not to be taken litly. jared lee loughner needs to get his punishment from the end of the colt 45 he used...
im disgusted at some people in this state/world..
#65
01-08-2011, 07:39 PM
gabby is a friend of our families.
the scairest thing is my father is with her during most all of these in tucson.
instead he picked me up this morn and we headed for work.
this is horrible. this is not to be taken litly. jared lee loughner needs to get his punishment from the end of the colt 45 he used...
im disgusted at some people in this state/world..
the scairest thing is my father is with her during most all of these in tucson.
instead he picked me up this morn and we headed for work.
this is horrible. this is not to be taken litly. jared lee loughner needs to get his punishment from the end of the colt 45 he used...
im disgusted at some people in this state/world..
I'm grateful your dad wasn't with her. I think this is just awful. Every time things like this happen we the law abiding people loose some more of our "rights". To just shoot randomly is insane. This type of thing really pisses me off.
Craig
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01-09-2011, 10:47 AM
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#71
01-09-2011, 02:52 PM
Afternoon all
More on Gifford
Survival is possible for Giffords - CNN.com
I think a linching is called for. Now some or saying that the dirty little Bass defense may use a plea that he is mentally unstable.
Are CHL's allowed in Arizona?
More on Gifford
Survival is possible for Giffords - CNN.com
I think a linching is called for. Now some or saying that the dirty little Bass defense may use a plea that he is mentally unstable.
Are CHL's allowed in Arizona?
#72
01-09-2011, 03:49 PM
Afternoon all
More on Gifford
Survival is possible for Giffords - CNN.com
I think a linching is called for. Now some or saying that the dirty little Bass defense may use a plea that he is mentally unstable.
Are CHL's allowed in Arizona?
More on Gifford
Survival is possible for Giffords - CNN.com
I think a linching is called for. Now some or saying that the dirty little Bass defense may use a plea that he is mentally unstable.
Are CHL's allowed in Arizona?
What are CHLs? I guess I'm not text updated.
What upset me is the 9 year old girl & the innocent people that were shot some just going shopping.
I don't believe that the actions this idiot took is anyway to resolve difference of ideas. If I disagreed with her voting or whatever I would of voiced it to her in conversation. After all that is what she was there for. I once was upset with somethings in Nevada & I got a chance to voice my objections to the Governor of Nevada (Bob Miller). I received a direct line to his executive aide & was told if I encountered any further problems to contact his office.
Craig
#73
01-09-2011, 04:05 PM
I believe he will face capital murder charges by the Feds. The opinion of Fox News was the the insanity plea won't fly & only has flown 1% of the time with juries.
What are CHLs? I guess I'm not text updated.
What upset me is the 9 year old girl & the innocent people that were shot some just going shopping.
I don't believe that the actions this idiot took is anyway to resolve difference of ideas. If I disagreed with her voting or whatever I would of voiced it to her in conversation. After all that is what she was there for. I once was upset with somethings in Nevada & I got a chance to voice my objections to the Governor of Nevada (Bob Miller). I received a direct line to his executive aide & was told if I encountered any further problems to contact his office.
Craig
What are CHLs? I guess I'm not text updated.
What upset me is the 9 year old girl & the innocent people that were shot some just going shopping.
I don't believe that the actions this idiot took is anyway to resolve difference of ideas. If I disagreed with her voting or whatever I would of voiced it to her in conversation. After all that is what she was there for. I once was upset with somethings in Nevada & I got a chance to voice my objections to the Governor of Nevada (Bob Miller). I received a direct line to his executive aide & was told if I encountered any further problems to contact his office.
Craig
Sorry Craig
CHL's Concealed Hangun License
I found out that its called CCW in Arizona
Arizona CCW Newsletter
#75
01-09-2011, 04:18 PM
Dang Bill thats close. There was some comments that there were others that helped him. You know anything on that?