So I found a '66-'67 Mercury for sale in the next town over from me. It's a gorgeous Park Lane 4 door with a very nice interior, but the frame is completely rotted out underneath from a lifetime of sitting in long wet grass. Breaks my heart!

However, it happens to have a nice running 410 Marauder 4bbl in it...the 289 in my truck has a lower-end knock in it, and was scheduled to be yanked and overhauled over the winter. But since I saw that 410, the ol' gears have been churning in my head...I've always loved FE motors, and I think my truck would be super-cool with one in it. However, I don't know JACK about Fords (thanks to you guys and your patience, though, I'm learning rapidly!)

So, instead of shelling out a grand to rebuild a 289, what if I jammed the 410 in my '65 F100? Are Windsor and FE motor mounts the same? I know PHYSICALLY the motor will fit in the truck with little problem; what other things would I have to worry about?

 

Your truck originally came with a 352, and if it was still there, the same supports (aka towers. stands, perches) will work with any 1965/76 FE engine.

But, since your truck now has a 289, what supports were used to mount it?

Are they modified 352 supports, or from a 1969/79 F100 302, 1975/79 F150 302, 1977/79 F100/350 351M/400 2WD?

These 302/351M/400 supports are exactly the same.

btw: 410 = 1966/67 Mercury Parklane only. No such thing as a 1966/67 Marauder.

 

Bill I think the most of the 410 Mecurys had (410 Marauder ) on the air cleaner lid , I think that is what he is referring to.

 

4speeds4ever,
Welcome to the sight..!!
Just a word of caution to you on the motor.

I too found a Marauder motor for my '66. The motor came from a '63 Marauder.

I had all the machine work done, opened the oil gally's, put restrictors in the upper ports to keep from"flooding" the top end with oil, I even had it all painted.
Here's the kicker...When I went to install the mounts, I found that this earlier block had a completely different bolt pattern and the 352, 390 etc. mounts would not bolt up. If I remember correctly it was just 2 bolt holes instead of the 3 on the FE blocks, and they sat approx. 4" farther back than the 352.
Bill (Number Dummy) did some outstanding research for me to find mounts that would fit, but I would of had to do more modification than I had experience for to get the whole thing to fit.
My machinest helped me out and traded me a freshly built 390 block with just about the same specs as the marauder motor.
Long explanation shortened up, just make sure that you check the motor mount bolt pattern on the block to make sure that it fits the mounts you put in your truck.
Just my 0.02 worth on a not so cool experience for me.
Larry

 

The 1958/64 FE engine mount bolt pattern changed in 1965. 1965 was the first year FE engines were available in F100/350's (1965/67: 352 / 1968/76: 360/390).

1965/71 FE Passenger Cars & 1965/76 FE F100/350's share the same bolt pattern.

Beside the engine mount bolt pattern, 1958/64 FE engines have rounded valve covers without holes for oil caps/smog valves. These engines have an oil fill tube.

1965/76 FE engines have pent roofed shaped valve covers with holes for oil caps/smog valve. No oil fill tube.

 

I recall only seeing two bolt holes on the 352 that came out of my 65 F100. You can always hit the salvage yard and yank a set of engine perches/stands from an FE powered truck and pop them in yours.

 

By all means grab the 410 engine. That stroked 390 will pull like a locomotive on steroids.





John

 

That's the problem FTE member gliderdad had, the F100/350 engine supports, insulators will not work with the pre 1965 blocks.

 

For years I wanted to find a bigger FE to take the place of my 390, such as 410 or 428, but finally gave up & went to newer big block.
Since these trucks were FE originally should work out great for ya.

If you do go this route, pay attention to flywheel, I think 410 & 428 were the only two EXTERNAL balance FEs.

 

You are correct, but you may not know why. As noted in my last post the 410 is a stroked 390 that uses a 428 crank making both the 410 & 428 externally balanced.

4speed the 428 crank is valuable enough that grabbing a so called worthless 360 for a fresh 410 rebuild is worth considering. IMHO





John

 

C6AZ6375A .. Flywheel / 184 tooth ring gear / Marked: C6AE-6380-B / 14 23/64" O.D. / (6) 5/16" -18 pressure plate attaching holes on a 12 7/8" bolt circle / Obsolete

Fits: 1966/67 Mercury Parklane 410 / 1966/67: Ford Galaxie/LTD/Police Cruiser 428 & Mercury Monterey/Montclair/S-22 428.

I found one of these NOS.

 

Awesome, thanks for the info, guys! I've found a couple sources of information that say the 410 was NOT externally balanced, but the 428 was. Does not compute!

So, then, in theory, I'd need a flywheel and a set of motor perches and it should be drop-in, pretty much? 330 hp in that lil truck would be a gas!

 

Yeah, I really have a lot of this Fe stuff memorized but I have to admit I've forgotten some over the last ten years.lol

While we're spittin out good ol Fe info, did ya know the 428 doesn't displace 428 cu in? Now come on, be honest with me.
With 4.130 bore and 3.980 stroke you have 426 cu in. Go ahead, put the calculator to it...
What I read was Ford didn't want to call it 426 because of popular Chrysler & of course Ford already had popular 427 so 428 it became. Maybe Numberdummy will be along & tell his version.....

Good thing they didn't drop a cube, 425 Cobra Jet just don't sound as good......

 

4speed: are you going to use the toploader or the auto? im doin a similiar swap 428/toploader in my 66, you'l have to get a different bellhousing if ya use the toploader.

 

I have C6MEA blocks in my 61 and 64 Galaxies, both are 67 390's. I pulled the one out of my 64 Galaxie and put it in my 66 F100. All I had to do was change the motor mounts (insulators) and oil filter adapter. My '64 Montclair Marauder also has a 390 (it's original).