hey all, mostly view the v-10 forum but wifes 07 expedition with 42k took a dump while cruising 60mph. said it felt like it went into limp mode then when she pulled over it died. put it in park and no crank. all the warning lights came on the dash when key turned. i get there and notice the PATS warning light is blinking. seemed like the key lost its program? pulled the cables from battery for a few minutes. went to start and it sporadically turned over but no start. hit the fuel reset button, no good. pulled the key out and noticed some lights stayed lit on the dash! figure this is a PCM issue. got it towed to the dealer. he wants both keys so he can reprogram. OK. said he got it started 3 seperate times but it shut down each time. wants to install a starter! for 450! if thats not it then install the PCM which is under warranty.

i questioned that the PCM has about 4 fuses to protect it and he says that its a surge not a fault to ground.

I'm still think its the PATS system.

looking for some input before i OK the starter.

thanks in advance

SUL

cc: electrical forum