1st Dr Pepper Attempt
Don't think it worked...:-X18
1) Got some WVO from the local Mexican place down the street about a month ago and let it sit. 2) Scooped a liter of murky golden oil off the top. 3) Took to boiling point (~260 f) and saw very tiny bubbles...no boiling so seemed H2O free. 4) Let cool to ~ 140 f and put in 2 liter bottle. 5) Added the fully diluted mix (250 ml (most of the yellow bottle) of HEET + 1 tsp of lye from Lowes). 6) Shook for 5 seconds 4 times over 1 hour. 7) Let sit for 48 hours. The oil started murky gold and is now murky gold with a 2 inch layer of black gook at the bottom of the 2 liter soda bottle. It's like a lava lamp! I do not see an appreciable difference between the before and after color and opaqueness of the top part. :confused: Is it just that the oil was THAT BAD and I need to run it again or perhaps I need to "wash" the rest of the crud out? Heaven forbid that I did something wrong:-whud |
I suspect your technique is wrong.
first you chemistry seems to be off. did you get complete disolution of the lye in the heet I have heard that heet is not the best source of methanol (I have never used it just read that in a few places) Your agitation techniqe was inadequate. |
Originally Posted by dcwhipple
(Post 6446374)
Don't think it worked...:-X18
1) Got some WVO from the local Mexican place down the street about a month ago and let it sit. 2) Scooped a liter of murky golden oil off the top. 3) Took to boiling point (~260 f) and saw very tiny bubbles...no boiling so seemed H2O free. 4) Let cool to ~ 140 f and put in 2 liter bottle. 5) Added the fully diluted mix (250 ml (most of the yellow bottle) of HEET + 1 tsp of lye from Lowes). 6) Shook for 5 seconds 4 times over 1 hour. 7) Let sit for 48 hours. The oil started murky gold and is now murky gold with a 2 inch layer of black gook at the bottom of the 2 liter soda bottle. It's like a lava lamp! I do not see an appreciable difference between the before and after color and opaqueness of the top part. :confused: Is it just that the oil was THAT BAD and I need to run it again or perhaps I need to "wash" the rest of the crud out? Heaven forbid that I did something wrong:-whud #3. Those "tiny bubbles" ARE water, and can effect the process. #5. How many grams is 1 tsp? What type of "Lye"? What strength? #6. You should have shaken the s*** out of it for at least 5 min. Definitely under-processed............ |
Originally Posted by Phydeaux88
(Post 6446516)
I suspect your technique is wrong.
first you chemistry seems to be off. did you get complete disolution of the lye in the heet I have heard that heet is not the best source of methanol (I have never used it just read that in a few places) Your agitation techniqe was inadequate. Can you please help with a little more detail around the chemistry being off? They say 250ml methanol (about 1 cup, right???) and 6g NAOH (about 1 tsp, right???) The solution DID completely dissolve into a clear liquid before I put it in with the oil. Took about 5 minutes of hard shaking in a closed mason jar. Would also like additional detail on proper agitation as well as any suggestions on where to get a better test methanol source if HEET is no good. Sorry for the basic questions...I was hoping enough research in advance would result in a positive result but I was obviously wrong.:confused: Thanks! |
Originally Posted by fabmandelux
(Post 6446647)
#1. Did you do a Titration?
#3. Those "tiny bubbles" ARE water, and can effect the process. #5. How many grams is 1 tsp? What type of "Lye"? What strength? #6. You should have shaken the s*** out of it for at least 5 min. Definitely under-processed............ #5. instructions say that 1tsp = 6-7g and I used Roebic 100% Sodium Hydroxide. Sounds like I need to try test batch #2. |
HEET is only 99% methanol with 1% proprietary ingrediant per this MSDS: GAS LINE ANTIFREEZE
I don't really know, but I think that extra 1% proprietary ingrediant may be the problem. Good luck. Jim |
I did all my first test batches with yellow Heet without too many problems. You may not have had enough lye in the mix. I think the base for new oil is around 5g per liter so used oil would be more than that depending on the titration. When I did the Dr pepper method with used oil I just used twice the lye they called for.
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Originally Posted by dcwhipple
(Post 6446652)
Can you please help with a little more detail around the chemistry being off? They say 250ml methanol (about 1 cup, right???) and 6g NAOH (about 1 tsp, right???)
The solution DID completely dissolve into a clear liquid before I put it in with the oil. Took about 5 minutes of hard shaking in a closed mason jar. Would also like additional detail on proper agitation as well as any suggestions on where to get a better test methanol source if HEET is no good. Sorry for the basic questions...I was hoping enough research in advance would result in a positive result but I was obviously wrong.:confused: Thanks! You are correct that 250 ml is approx one cup To measure the lie try a dixie cup scale: Dixie Cup Scale - Collaborative Biodiesel Tutorial remember to use distilled water for the standard weight (water from your faucet has to much junk in it so it is heavier than distilled) go buy a cheap medication dispensing dropper to measure the water with. Mexican Food places tend to use the oil for a long time and that causes a heavy buildup of FFAs. For that reason you really should titrate to get accurate an measure how much NaOH you need. http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/titratingoil/ As far as proper agitation goes ya really need to shake the s*** out of it for for at least 5 mins. Dont give up it is worth the effort and you will get there. Many here have tried several times before succeeding. |
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