air as a "fuel"
We've discussed "water as a fuel", so it's time to see cars running on air, compressed air to be precise.
http://www.theaircar.com/ Not sure if they're real, or just blowing some hot air. }> Production status As of November 2006 the Air car is not in production; though they have been said to be going into production "soon" since at least 1998.<sup title="The text in the vicinity of this tag needs citation." class="noprint"></sup> It was, for example, announced to make its public debut in South Africa in 2002, or "within six months" in January 2004 |
Looks more like a scheme to empty the pockets of potential investors. Ive seen countless "revolutionary" alternative engine designs come and go over the years, and the Wankel is the only one that ever went into "mass" production. It never came even close to replacing the piston engine as we know it.
As for the compressed air part, how much energy do you think can be stored in air tanks small and light enough to carry around in an automobile? The basic physics alone should tell you it wont work. Google PV=nRT. Everyone in Europe and America wants to study business, law, marketing, etc. No one bothers to learn mathematics, science and enginering, except in India. The Western world is doomed. Jim |
Sorry, that won't work.
I thought air powered perpetual motion machines went out of style nearly 100 years ago. If I read the "technical" part of their engine page, they are describing the pistons as being able to both provide the driving force for the car, and compress air for the storage tank. If the pistons are driven by air from the tank, how can they power the car and pump more air into the tank?
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Originally Posted by jimandmandy
Everyone in Europe and America wants to study business, law, marketing, etc. No one bothers to learn mathematics, science and enginering, except in India. The Western world is doomed.Jim
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Originally Posted by jimandmandy
Looks more like a scheme to empty the pockets of potential investors.
The basic physics alone should tell you it wont work. Google PV=nRT. |
Originally Posted by aladin sane
If the pistons are driven by air from the tank, how can they power the car and pump more air into the tank?
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I wouldn't trust any company that can't spell their own name. MDI is what? Moteur Developpment International. ah...French.
I don't think it would work to long. I can't see an engine refilling it's own source of power. There is loss of energy somewhere. Sort of like useing a battery to power an electric motor, that turns an alternator to charge the battery. Doesn't work. The idea is a good one and reminds me of a steam engine, but I don't think it works yet. |
Originally Posted by homenf
I don't think it would work to long. I can't see an engine refilling it's own source of power. There is loss of energy somewhere.
In addition: The recharging of the car will be done at gas stations, once the market is developed. To fill the tanks it will take about to 2 to 3 minutes at a price of 1.5 euros. After refilling the car will be ready to driver 200 kilometres. |
The english guy in the video sounds pretty happy about it. 120 miles on air is better than I thought it could do.
I think Chevron will buy the design, give it cement shoes and let it try to swim. |
I think this design will be shown on Discovery Channel, Future cars part three.
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Does any one consider the cost of compressing and storing that air that they filled up with? Compressed air is very expensive!
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Expensive?!? Anyone can make it, just need a compressor, and possible a small storage tank, so the actual running cost is just the electricity for the motor that drives the compressor (you can drive it in other ways, but that's the simplest) and whatever maintenance is needed. Whether the fill-up would be as cheap as they predict on their website -- I do not know.
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Since they need 300 bar, or just over 4400 psig, your shop compressor won't get the job done. It may cost a little more than you are thinking.
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Originally Posted by aladin sane
Since they need 300 bar, or just over 4400 psig, your shop compressor won't get the job done. It may cost a little more than you are thinking.
Obviously, for a car like this to be viable, they need a cheap, or at least reasonably priced fuel, and what compressed air may cost right now has little relevance since fill up stations will most likely make their own, using electricity. The 1.5 euro for a fill-up seems a bit low, however. |
I think your post completely glossed over how much a compressor that will put out 4000 psig and a pressure vessel to hold it will cost. The "running costs" will be small in comparison.
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