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TheBigBee 12-09-2013 08:53 AM

DING DING DING I think i found my problem tell me if I'm crazy. I have a 10.5" Sterling rear. When ordering gears I was told to get the 10.25" gears due to the longer pinion splines that was stronger. which when ordering said gears they actually only offer the 10.25 because they are cheaper in price. Here lies the problem. the 10.25" gears do not fit the 10.5" carrier that is currently in the truck? it is slightly thicker and does not allow for the ring and pinion to align correctly?


" If you're short on cash during a rebuild (depending on the ratio you want to use, factory parts for the 10.50-inch Sterling can be almost double the cost of 10.25-inch aftermarket parts), you can use the 2nd-generation 10.25-inch case/carrier and gearset in the 10.50-inch housing (as mentioned above). "

"To address the bearing and race issue, you can use the ring-and-pinion from the 2nd-generation 10.25-inch. "

Chad149 12-09-2013 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by TheBigBee (Post 13824043)
DING DING DING I think i found my problem tell me if I'm crazy. I have a 10.5" Sterling rear. When ordering gears I was told to get the 10.25" gears due to the longer pinion splines that was stronger. which when ordering said gears they actually only offer the 10.25 because they are cheaper in price. Here lies the problem. the 10.25" gears do not fit the 10.5" carrier that is currently in the truck? it is slightly thicker and does not allow for the ring and pinion to align correctly?


" If you're short on cash during a rebuild (depending on the ratio you want to use, factory parts for the 10.50-inch Sterling can be almost double the cost of 10.25-inch aftermarket parts), you can use the 2nd-generation 10.25-inch case/carrier and gearset in the 10.50-inch housing (as mentioned above). "

"To address the bearing and race issue, you can use the ring-and-pinion from the 2nd-generation 10.25-inch. "

That would indeed require a new carrier, snap-on is still working on the gear stretcher...:-X04

SDElwood 12-09-2013 09:57 AM

Just weld 'er in there.

TheBigBee 12-09-2013 10:01 AM

Actually i dont think it does now.

"You can use 10.25 gears in a 10.5 if you use 10.25 pinion bearings, so, I'd assume that 10.5 gears could be put into a 10.25 if you use 10.5 pinion bearings also. Carriers are interchangable."

Toyman 12-09-2013 10:28 AM

That almost doesn't make sense. You would have to have the carrier for a 10.5 for the gear set for a 10.5 to work. I think what he described means that you can swap 10.5 and 10.25 gears and carriers provided that you use the correct bearing for the size needed.

My understanding is you have 10.25 and are trying to put 10.5 into it, it would seem that it needs the 10.5 carrier to work properly.

Call over to weller truck parts or Valley truck parts and ask them?

Chad149 12-09-2013 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by TheBigBee (Post 13824271)
Actually i dont think it does now.

"You can use 10.25 gears in a 10.5 if you use 10.25 pinion bearings, so, I'd assume that 10.5 gears could be put into a 10.25 if you use 10.5 pinion bearings also. Carriers are interchangable."

You can use the late ninetys 10.25 gear set and carrier to put into your truck. The carriers themselves are interchangeable between the 10.25 and 10.5 but require the gears for said carrier for which they were designed. In your case I would break down and buy the 10.5 gears due the ratio you need to run. The downside to high numerical gears is there is so few teeth left on the pinion gear, which weakens it.

Toyman 12-09-2013 12:19 PM

well there is this


Chad149 12-09-2013 12:30 PM

The spinners added just the right amount of needed class.......:-X04

TheBigBee 12-09-2013 01:09 PM

Ya i have a 10.5" and all the gears you can buy aftermarket usually come in 10.25" the carriers are the same acording to all the parts shops i can find.

10.25" & 10.5" Full Float Detroit Locker

"Ring gear size and inner pinion bearing size are the differences between the 10.5" and 10.25"

The inner pinion bearing is taller to make up for the 0.25" difference in ring gear diameter. Other than that, the housing is the same as are the rest of the internals."

Toyman 12-09-2013 01:42 PM

and because I was bored....


SDElwood 12-09-2013 02:02 PM

Man I was hoping the damn thing would get smooshed.

I'm not a drivetrain guy Andrew, so can't offer much help other than calling D&R. Sorry man.

SDElwood 12-10-2013 06:59 AM

It's 14 degrees. That makes me thirsty.

bbender85 12-10-2013 07:14 AM

got my first cold of the season.. fortunately i made it through hunting season without one. i got three weeks to kick it before the baby comes. :eek:

just another truck 12-10-2013 07:22 AM

Good Luck Brandon.. Being as this is your first, yeah, kick it now, or your wife wont let you around until they are 3..The second one, you will be picking the passafier off the floor, licking it and giving back to the kid.

bbender85 12-10-2013 07:28 AM

this will be number two. "picking the passafier off the floor, licking it and giving back to the kid" was standard practice for number one, so number two is screwed, haha.

bbender85 12-10-2013 07:30 AM

and i tried to post this in FL's bs thread, but there is no such thing.. apparently they have better things to do down there?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...der85/nhfd.jpg

just another truck 12-10-2013 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by bbender85 (Post 13827510)
this will be number two. "picking the passafier off the floor, licking it and giving back to the kid" was standard practice for number one, so number two is screwed, haha.

Thats a good thing, My wife wasnt to bad with our oldest, but man I have seen some.. Oh boy. Poor kids are not allowed around dirt. I wont lie though, my wife had the sterlizer for the bottles, she washed the pacifier, when I wasnt around. We learned.

just another truck 12-10-2013 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by bbender85 (Post 13827514)
and i tried to post this in FL's bs thread, but there is no such thing.. apparently they have better things to do down there?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...der85/nhfd.jpg

They do now..https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post13827531

just another truck 12-10-2013 07:53 AM

This is funny...
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...25253768_n.jpg

Toyman 12-10-2013 08:05 AM

Get better quick Brandon!!

Should we try to do a little GTG on a Saturday evening before Xmas for the peeps on this side of the state. We could do this Saturday a the Caledonia Uccellos if there is any interest.

bbender85 12-10-2013 08:08 AM

i'm up for something. i'll be out of town for the day saturday, not sure when we'll be back.

TheBigBee 12-10-2013 08:52 AM

We will be in town this weekend.

Toyman 12-10-2013 08:54 AM

Well why don't we meet up at the Caledonia Uccello's around 7:30 on Saturday, we can snack and have a couple drinks and just hang out and shoot the ****.

Anyone that wants to come and join is more than welcome to :-X03:-X03

bbender85 12-10-2013 09:31 AM

they just tapped a keg of New Holland Cabin Fever there.. have one for me.

Mark Kovalsky 12-10-2013 09:48 AM

I'm sure rethinking my move from Michigan to Florida. Now I don't have to get up an hour early for work to clear the driveway so I can get out. Then reclear it since the snow plow buried it again while I was showering. And the THREE HOUR each way commute when it snowed. And being cold all winter long. And going to work in the dark and coming home in the dark. And the sun not shining because of clouds for three or four MONTHS straight. And losing power from ice storms. And idiots that can't drive each time it snows, though we do have the same problem here with drivers and rain.

OK, now I remember why I love living in Florida!

bbender85 12-10-2013 09:52 AM

but your vehicle won't rot and crumble from road salt now, you'll surely miss that? no?

Chad149 12-10-2013 10:40 AM

Howdy Mark! The way I look at it you can always put more clothes on, but you can only take so many off. Personally my drive to work gets faster with a major snow storm (no school traffic). Since I'm a good ole boy ,nothing I own isn't 4wd, so shoveling is not necessary.:-X03

Now only if I can talk the state out of using road salt........:-X19

SDElwood 12-10-2013 10:41 AM

Florida is a nice place to visit when you're young. Then when you turn 80 you move there.

Mark Kovalsky 12-10-2013 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by bbender85 (Post 13827962)
but your vehicle won't rot and crumble from road salt now, you'll surely miss that? no?

No, not so much. I've had my share of rotted out vehicles. My daughter has a seven year old Edge with over 70,000 miles. It looks brand new underneath. The exhaust doesn't even have any rust showing.

Originally Posted by Chad149 (Post 13828084)
Howdy Mark! The way I look at it you can always put more clothes on, but you can only take so many off.

That's when I go in my pool or the ocean.

Originally Posted by SDElwood (Post 13828089)
Florida is a nice place to visit when you're young. Then when you turn 80 you move there.

I have a LOOOOOONG way to go to reach 80.

bbender85 12-10-2013 11:17 AM

so are there any warm barns available this sunday? i know i'm buying my time plugging in here at work, its a matter of time before someone says something or the plow tractor takes my cord out.. gotta swap these glow plugs out.

just another truck 12-10-2013 01:06 PM

Wish you were closer, we would just do them in the driveway..

SDElwood 12-10-2013 01:11 PM

Great point, Pat! Hey Brandon, why don't you come over on Sunday, do your glow plugs in the driveway... I'll be in the warm barn drinking beer.

Seriously though - if anyone has called/texted me lately I don't have my phone on me. So if you'd like to plan a Sunday gig, I'll be happy to warm up the place.

bbender85 12-10-2013 01:22 PM

lol. that would be awesome.. i'll tentatively plan on it unless i hear otherwise from you. :-drink

SDElwood 12-10-2013 01:41 PM

But in the driveway. *I* will be in the warm barn drinking beer looking out the window to make sure you're ok. Hell I bet even Rich will hang out in the warm barn and help me keep an eye on your project. Gee, I hope it isn't too windy that day.

CLINT-THE-GREAT 12-10-2013 02:22 PM

Afternoon Pat, Brandon, Mike, Rich, Andrew

-The Great

CLINT-THE-GREAT 12-10-2013 02:23 PM

3rd day of sub-0 temps here in Central IL..... Everyone be safe if you have to go out!

-The Great

Toyman 12-10-2013 03:11 PM

did you see the Saturday GTG post Michael. I sent you a text also. But apparently your phone realized that it is embarrassed to be seen with you for some reason.....


Anyway, Brandon (maybe Sarah too) can hopefully swing by, Andrew and Caitlin, and you and Jodi... along with anyone else that wants to come and play for a little while.

Then sunday we can watch Brandon through the window. ......

Toyman 12-10-2013 03:12 PM

Hey Clint!

And Mark, I thought there were only old people and their parents down there in Florida?

FordBlueHeart 12-10-2013 05:50 PM

Maybe Mark's wife is old?}>

Chad149 12-10-2013 06:23 PM

I like the variety here, I handle cold better than insane heat.......

Any of the 7.3 owners here still have the factory airbox installed? Just found two factory size K&N air filters in my garage, anybody here is welcome to them.


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