1994 F150 XL Need Info on Airbag light !
Ok ya Guys on here have been very helpful ,, Recently posed on here about Airbag Light flashing a code (32) , knew when I got the truck , previous owner had changed out bumpers. It is apparent he didn't tell me everything!!! try to use the horn and find out it doesn't work , The truck has a E40D tranns. and the OD shift button only works around 40-45 mph . When you turn the Ign. switch on a series of 5 beeps continues 5 times , plus the Airbag light flashing a 3-2 code!! I have driven this Truck for 7 yrs. with the light flashing this code but no sounds from under the dash . Now it is very annoying to listen to this beeping sound when you start , and sometimes it will beep when your driving it . What the heck do you do to stop it??? Been told to change the airbag bulb in the cluster to stop it , Another said you have to remove Airbag on steering wheel , remove steering wheel to get to the problem ! Never done this before so any help here would help!!!!! If anyone knows what I can do to stop this crazy sound ;PLEASE , tell ! Is the horn tied into this problem also? Or is that another issue? I just want to fix it Right!!
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I'll take a wild stab at the beeping sound. I have to ask you does your volts guage work? The guage that tells you how well your alternator is working. On my 1994 F-150, I get a beeping sound and my volts guage stops working. There is a certain fuse that blows out in the fuse box under the dash. That fuse on my F-150 has been blowing from time to time with no rhyme or reason. If your volts guage is working, you can probably disregard this post.
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The series of 5 sets of 5 beeps is an indication that there is a minimum of two faults, first your original concern that flashes the indicator, second that the indicator circuit is no longer operational. The tones of 5 sets of 5 beeps should of began when the air bag indicator became inoperative. This is the reasoning behind recommendations to replace the bulb you recieved. Even though this will not repair your original concern, repairing the air bag warning lamp circuit will elimate the tones. This is a redundant system to make sure the operator is aware their is a failure in the air bag system. Most probable cause of the warning lamp failure is the bulb itself. To gain access to the bulb, pull headlamp switch out, their is a small notch in the back of the knob depress the spring retainer pulling it toward you, releasing the knob, pulling it of the shaft. Remove the trim panels left and rt of the column, held in with snap retaining clips. Behind these two small trim panels there are two screws. remove these and the rest of the panel is held in by the same snap retainers. Carefully remove the retainers a section at a time pulling out on the face trim panel. Unplug fuel tank selector switch if equipped. Four screws remove the cluster, may be necessary to remove shift indicator or cable if you have an automatic trans. Sometimes you can grasp the bulb thru the front of the cluster and remove and replace the bulb with needle nose pliers. Inspect the bulb, hopefully its nothing more than the bulb otherwise further diagnosis is required.
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Again, the beeping is indicating the SRS indicator lamp has malfunctioned, bulb burned out (from driving it 7 years with it on!) Speicher has given you a good procedure for replacing the bulb. Since you have now posted the code, 32, it indicates "Driver Side Air Bag Module High Resistance or Open" and that along with your statement that your horn doesn't work would seem to point to the clockspring (sliding contact) under the steering wheel being bad. The air bag sensors are not on the bumper so the previous owner changing that out is irrelevant to your problem. The sensors are mounted on the inside of the radiator support. Forget the sensors though as they are not your "priority" problem with the SRS. Replace the bulb and the clockspring and your SRS will be operative again and your face will be much happier on occasion that you meet with an opposing object. See diagram and discussion. Posted part number is F4TZ-14A664-B and there are some on EBAY or from one of the SPONSORS here.
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Originally Posted by ncranchero
(Post 11581102)
Again, the beeping is indicating the SRS indicator lamp has malfunctioned, bulb burned out (from driving it 7 years with it on!) Speicher has given you a good procedure for replacing the bulb. Since you have now posted the code, 32, it indicates "Driver Side Air Bag Module High Resistance or Open" and that along with your statement that your horn doesn't work would seem to point to the clockspring (sliding contact) under the steering wheel being bad. The air bag sensors are not on the bumper so the previous owner changing that out is irrelevant to your problem. The sensors are mounted on the inside of the radiator support. Forget the sensors though as they are not your "priority" problem with the SRS. Replace the bulb and the clockspring and your SRS will be operative again and your face will be much happier on occasion that you meet with an opposing object. See diagram and discussion. Posted part number is F4TZ-14A664-B and there are some on EBAY or from one of the SPONSORS here.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...lockspring.gif Ford clockspring replacement - YouTube |
Thank You ,, ncranchero and Speicher for your help ,, Super!!!! It seems I'm being tested here or something ! LOL Went to pick up clock spring and new bulb , also picked up a few things to fix wife's vehicle , Don't get tired of me on here !!! But seems I'm caught in a DOMINO Effect with my truck ,, But any way , parts house gave me wrong part , sooooo,, jumped in truck ( haven't had chance to change clock spring and bulb yet ) and GEE, NOW THE TRUCK WON'T START !!!! So more info from you is going to be a big Help on here! All I can do at this point is run tester (koeo) and see if it will give me a code ,, and try checking fuse's . Truck will turn over with no problem with key , just not hitting !!!!
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I'll warn you! If you mention my name more than once your fuel pump will go out! Fuel pumps hate me. Uh-oh, you need to delete one of my mentions above or you're done for.
What are your symptoms? You hear the fuel pump whirring when you turn on the ignition switch? Have you reset the inertia switch? |
Originally Posted by ncranchero
(Post 11605414)
I'll warn you! If you mention my name more than once your fuel pump will go out! Fuel pumps hate me. Uh-oh, you need to delete one of my mentions above or you're done for.
What are your symptoms? You hear the fuel pump whirring when you turn on the ignition switch? Have you reset the inertia switch? |
IIRC my code last week was also 542. I had a spare center tank pump so I plugged it in and it worked. Plugged my tank back up, no work. Put the new pump in, works great. I do believe I've rubbed off on you.:-X16
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Originally Posted by ncranchero
(Post 11608878)
IIRC my code last week was also 542. I had a spare center tank pump so I plugged it in and it worked. Plugged my tank back up, no work. Put the new pump in, works great. I do believe I've rubbed off on you.:-X16
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Hey ncranchero, you know where I can find a owners manual for this 1994 F 150 , was hoping I could possible find out which fuses and relays go to what under this hood!
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Is your truck a single fuel tank? Check for momentary power on both sides of that inertia switch you found.(correct, if the button is down it's not popped. They are bad to toast the terminals though.) I just bought the pump off of eBay, a no-name one even, $40, have bought several of them & had no problems.
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Originally Posted by jterrell
(Post 11608965)
Hey ncranchero, you know where I can find a owners manual for this 1994 F 150 , was hoping I could possible find out which fuses and relays go to what under this hood!
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Originally Posted by ncranchero
(Post 11608982)
Is your truck a single fuel tank? Check for momentary power on both sides of that inertia switch you found.(correct, if the button is down it's not popped. They are bad to toast the terminals though.) I just bought the pump off of eBay, a no-name one even, $40, have bought several of them & had no problems.
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Well, you must determine if you're getting power to the pump. A multi-meter or at least a test light is required to do that. Try the whack test. Take a runner mallet or similar and whack the bottom of the tank in the area of the pump. See if it starts working. mine did, temporarily, like 10 minutes. I can get the connector pinout for you to test it if you have a meter or light, and a helper.
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Originally Posted by ncranchero
(Post 11613174)
Well, you must determine if you're getting power to the pump. A multi-meter or at least a test light is required to do that. Try the whack test. Take a runner mallet or similar and whack the bottom of the tank in the area of the pump. See if it starts working. mine did, temporarily, like 10 minutes. I can get the connector pinout for you to test it if you have a meter or light, and a helper.
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You changed the SRS indicator lamp and there's still beeping???? Ok, if you changed the bulb then you're getting a code flashed?
My bragging about not ever getting a defective fuel pump just bit me in the butt. Put it in last Saturday, haven't moved the truck an inch, and went to start it this morning and NO FREAKIN PUMP WHIRRING! Plugged in my spare center tank pump......bzzzzzzzz!:-arrgh:-arrgh:-arrgh So I pulled it back out. Man I'm glad there's no bed on my truck! I'd have been ready to strangle the seller. Now to see if he makes it good, quickly! |
Originally Posted by ncranchero
(Post 11618103)
You changed the SRS indicator lamp and there's still beeping???? Ok, if you changed the bulb then you're getting a code flashed?
My bragging about not ever getting a defective fuel pump just bit me in the butt. Put it in last Saturday, haven't moved the truck an inch, and went to start it this morning and NO FREAKIN PUMP WHIRRING! Plugged in my spare center tank pump......bzzzzzzzz!:-arrgh:-arrgh:-arrgh So I pulled it back out. Man I'm glad there's no bed on my truck! I'd have been ready to strangle the seller. Now to see if he makes it good, quickly! |
Your beeping issue is screwy! If you replaced the SRS bulb and are seeing a LFC then it shouldn't beep.:-X15
You can do all the things you've done trying to make the pump work but the question I haven't seen answered is "do you have 12V on the red wire in the connector at the fuel pump"? See my connector photo above. If yes then your pump is bad. If no, where in the circuit is the last place you get 12V? You can unbolt the bed and lift it up enough, one side at a time to sit it on short 2x4 blocks and slide it back far enough to access the center tank pump. I've done it several times by myself. It's not as difficult as it may sound. Regular cab pump location. http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...hbedoff002.jpg My 95 Super Cab, with the bed slid back. http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1.../060722010.jpg http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1.../060722017.jpg |
Originally Posted by ncranchero
(Post 11621049)
Your beeping issue is screwy! If you replaced the SRS bulb and are seeing a LFC then it shouldn't beep.:-X15
You can do all the things you've done trying to make the pump work but the question I haven't seen answered is "do you have 12V on the red wire in the connector at the fuel pump"? See my connector photo above. If yes then your pump is bad. If no, where in the circuit is the last place you get 12V? You can unbolt the bed and lift it up enough, one side at a time to sit it on short 2x4 blocks and slide it back far enough to access the center tank pump. I've done it several times by myself. It's not as difficult as it may sound. Regular cab pump location. http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...hbedoff002.jpg My 95 Super Cab, with the bed slid back. http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1.../060722010.jpg http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1.../060722017.jpg |
In the top photo you can see the wiring connector attached to the frame ( to the right of the pump) . If you pull it loose from the frame, disconnect it and test the pins mentioned above for power you'll know if the pump is getting 12V. Ignition will have to be on. These models have a check valve in the pump "module, as they call it, that prevents flow from tank to tank.
I'll look up the bulb but IIRC it's just a 161 Edit: Just to prevent a major foopah, you do not have the dash panel off and the fuel selector switch disconnected do you? The 161 or 194 is fine for the bulb. |
Originally Posted by ncranchero
(Post 11621378)
In the top photo you can see the wiring connector attached to the frame ( to the right of the pump) . If you pull it loose from the frame, disconnect it and test the pins mentioned above for power you'll know if the pump is getting 12V. Ignition will have to be on. These models have a check valve in the pump "module, as they call it, that prevents flow from tank to tank.
I'll look up the bulb but IIRC it's just a 161 Edit: Just to prevent a major foopah, you do not have the dash panel off and the fuel selector switch disconnected do you? The 161 or 194 is fine for the bulb. |
Originally Posted by jterrell
(Post 11622021)
Ok unplugged connector going to fuel pump in the tank (front) , found a good ground , used tester to see in any current present coming to pump ,, at this point seems there is none ( light will not come on Tester ) ,, Ok would a bad Ignition switch cause this??? at steering column . if there was a bad connection could it cause the pump not to energize???? Or can I rule that out. :-X16 I re hooked every thing in the dash as I went ,, little perplexing that the beeping didn't go away tho ,,, of course I did use another bulb from the cluster its self to see if it would stop ,, unless it needs to be a brand new one! Oh yes ,, I did run a wire from Pos at battery and tryed to see if pump would come on ,,, but I dont believe I grounded it while doing it ,, Now neighbor happen to have a volt meter ,, just need to know what to set it at , never had to use one before!!!!
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Inertia switch has only two wires.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...chcut-away.jpg Here is your path to follow. http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...umpCircuit.gif |
Originally Posted by ncranchero
(Post 11623286)
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It should be down. The cutting away buggered up the mechanics of the switch a bit.
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Originally Posted by jterrell
(Post 11623322)
Wait just a minute here!!! wow that is a tripped inertia ?? may be I ned to recheck that thing ,,, you know I kept thinking it would be all the way tripped up ! ,,, but if it is ,,, when I connected a jumper wire to it (connector ) shouldn't it (pump come on and code go away? ) What I'm trying to say here is mine looks like that pic tripped ,,, If I reach in and pop it up , it comes all the way up
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Originally Posted by jterrell
(Post 11623345)
Hold on be right back ,, going to walk out and look at it a little closer , being kick panel is still off for now
When you turn key on it should energize the pump along with many other things right? |
Yes. The PCM activates the fuel pump relay.
Ground terminal "A" and turn the ignition switch to on. That activates the relay to run the pump. http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...CConnector.gif |
Ok Im going to try and follow those wire in that diagram ,, and see where 12 v is present ,,, Not very good at this but I going to learn one way or other ,,, no choice at this point ,, have to get this truck running !!!
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Originally Posted by jterrell
(Post 11623496)
Ok Im going to try and follow those wire in that diagram ,, and see where 12 v is present ,,, Not very good at this but I going to learn one way or other ,,, no choice at this point ,, have to get this truck running !!!
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Start by swapping 2 of the relays in the battery junction box. The second one is the fuel pump you know. Then check for voltage on both sides of the inertia switch. (Have you tripped & reset it? Smack it lightly with the handle of a screwdriver or something to trip it & reset it) then you'll have to pull the panel back off to check the back of the selector switch. From that point if you still haven't located the "no power' point you'll have to check the wiring to the back.
I'm hoping palletcutter and subford will have some helpful input here .............. Yeah, just jump it to a good clean bare ground. |
You said you checked ALL of the fuses, right. Even the PCM fuse?
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Originally Posted by ncranchero
(Post 11623539)
Start by swapping 2 of the relays in the battery junction box. The second one is the fuel pump you know. Then check for voltage on both sides of the inertia switch. (Have you tripped & reset it? Smack it lightly with the handle of a screwdriver or something to trip it & reset it) then you'll have to pull the panel back off to check the back of the selector switch. From that point if you still haven't located the "no power' point you'll have to check the wiring to the back.
I'm hoping palletcutter and subford will have some helpful input here .............. Yeah, just jump it to a good clean bare ground. |
Well, I'll certainly give you an "A" for effort!
I'm a bit rusty on these models since it's been about 6 years since I had one. |
Originally Posted by ncranchero
(Post 11623658)
You said you checked ALL of the fuses, right. Even the PCM fuse?
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Originally Posted by jterrell
(Post 11623718)
yes and light on tester came on all of them , at both points on fuses ,,, ,, now the only thing I did was buy one new relay , and switched them around , now when battery was good ,, :o ,, now its really low!!!!! Said this is a Domino effect on me here !!!! So bear with me !
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Originally Posted by jterrell
(Post 11627104)
Ok in the process of tracing the voltage to pump ,, ran into a slight problem on clock spring !!! Went to remove air bag from steering wheel , and seems there are four (appear to be star drive ) because you can not get your head behind to actually see them , on the back side of the steering wheel and seem to be (think ) holding air bag compartment . Do I need a (torque socket to remove these?????? Tried to pull cover off when realized these seem to be holding it in . According to video on how to replace clock spring ,, did not show this !!!!!!!!! A regular deep well socket does not work!!!! So assuming this requires a Torque socket ,or star drive socket ,, what ever you call it ,,,,,,,,, those things cost about 23.00 bucks for a set !!! My question is IS this what I need to get air bag out so I can get steering wheel off , so I can get to clock spring ????? :'(
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Originally Posted by ncranchero
(Post 11623704)
Well, I'll certainly give you an "A" for effort!
I'm a bit rusty on these models since it's been about 6 years since I had one. |
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