The Louisville Line Trucks and What They Replaced
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I wish Ford still built them
I have driven a lot of different truck in the past 30 years,and I still prefer the LT`s,LTL,LTA,and LTLA over anything.They seem like the more you load them the more they like it.I have seen them hauling coal grossing 150,000 and more with over a million miles on them cabs and frames were still solid and tight.I have never driven the HN80 that replaced the L series and became Sterling.I don`t know who made the decision at Ford to sell the heavies to Freightliner,but I think they are the biggest idiots on the planet and I hope they got fired.I am still running a 79 LT9000 and a 93 Aeromax and they do everything asked of them.I also have a 82 LTL that I am restoring I will most likely put a wrecker boom on it when finished.
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fordnut2010, if you never get a chance to drive an HN80 or whatever they were called you won't be missing much. L models always had a solid feel to them but the trucks that replaced them don't. L models are often a bit heavier than other makes and for some jobs the extra weight was a problem. The Ford-Sterling replacement is lighter but IMO it's also kind of chintzy.
#34
None of the 7000s were tandems, some 8000s and 9000s were. The 900 was the gas-powered equivalent of the 9000, as were the 600, 700, and 800 series being gas-powered relatives of the 6000, 7000 and 8000 series.
So does that mean the 1160 and the 3208 are indeed different engines; and that the 636 cubic inch displacement and V-8 configuration are the only things these two engine models have in common???
~Ben
So does that mean the 1160 and the 3208 are indeed different engines; and that the 636 cubic inch displacement and V-8 configuration are the only things these two engine models have in common???
~Ben
#35
The Louisville's came out in 1970, and were the first Fords anyone took seriously. The idea was the same basic cab and chassis design went all the way from a gas powered LN-600 medium duty to a LT-9000 OTR diesel tractor, and covered about any truck you could think of in between. The early models were kind of crude, not very comfortable, and rust-prone. Later on they got better, and fancy versions came out like the LTL-9000 and the Aeromax. They were never too popular with the owner-operators, but the Louisville was a good fleet truck. Probably more an image issue than anything else. Used to call them 'Henrybilts'. By the mid-90's, the design was pretty outdated. The HN80 Louisville was being phased in during 1996 when Ford decided to call it quits. I don't have any first hand experience with the HN80's or Sterling's, but I have never heard anything good said about them. All the Sterlings were discontinued earlier this year.
#36
Maybe I need new glasses but I have too many miles under my belt in a L9000 with
a 425 hp Cat seven speed. I beleive a 3406. What a nice riding truck, but I totaled
it one day lifting 15 ton when the piston blew and the body came down and flatend
the cab. It was kind of tough crawling out of the cab.
a 425 hp Cat seven speed. I beleive a 3406. What a nice riding truck, but I totaled
it one day lifting 15 ton when the piston blew and the body came down and flatend
the cab. It was kind of tough crawling out of the cab.
#37
The Louisville series did in fact spawn a cabover equivalent called the CL-9000 series. It made its debut for 1978 to replace the W series cabovers, produced from 1966.5-77.
Its base engine at the time of its intro was the Cummins NTC-290 (Big Cam I), and the most powerful engine you could get back then was the Cummins KTA-600, another six-banger which displaced a gargantuan 1,150 cubic inches from a square bore and stroke of 6-1/4" inches. The 600 horse figure was also gargantuan. Cummins would drop this engine from its automotive line around 1983, and would not make another 600 horse engine for this market segment until it came out with the overhead-cam, 15-liter Signature (now ISX15) 600 in 1999.
Detroit Diesel also had its 2-cycle engines available for the 1978 CL(T)-9000, including the 8V-71N (the "318"), 8V-71T, 8V-71TT and the larger 8V-92T which produced up to 435 hp. Cat's engines were the 3406 and 3408 (not sure about the latter, though).
Also of note was the LTL conventional, which originally came out in 1976 and then spun off into a model of its own five years later.
~Ben
Its base engine at the time of its intro was the Cummins NTC-290 (Big Cam I), and the most powerful engine you could get back then was the Cummins KTA-600, another six-banger which displaced a gargantuan 1,150 cubic inches from a square bore and stroke of 6-1/4" inches. The 600 horse figure was also gargantuan. Cummins would drop this engine from its automotive line around 1983, and would not make another 600 horse engine for this market segment until it came out with the overhead-cam, 15-liter Signature (now ISX15) 600 in 1999.
Detroit Diesel also had its 2-cycle engines available for the 1978 CL(T)-9000, including the 8V-71N (the "318"), 8V-71T, 8V-71TT and the larger 8V-92T which produced up to 435 hp. Cat's engines were the 3406 and 3408 (not sure about the latter, though).
Also of note was the LTL conventional, which originally came out in 1976 and then spun off into a model of its own five years later.
~Ben
#38
I will add my 2 cents to this thread. I have owned three L series Fords a 72 L 9000 with a 238 Detroit, 86 LTL 9000 with a 3406B, and an 92 LTLA 9000 with a 3406. One 79 CLT 9000 with a 350 Cummins. One 74 WT 9000 with a 350 Cummins. I presently own a 67 NT 950 D with a 220 Cummins. First off I will say that the L series were my all time favorites to drive and were easy to work on, the best L series I had was the 86 LTL, we traded that truck with about 800,000 miles on it and it did nothing but keep on running. It was the most maintenance free truck that we have ever had. The 79 CLT was the most maintenance hungry truck we ever had, it was good riding with it seemed like there was always something to have to do to it. The W series truck was a good truck too. The N series I now have has great styling and natural good looks but is a bear to work on. The L series was a dream to work on compared to the N series. To do anything to the engine on the N you have to remove the fender on the side you are working. To do any major engine work you have to remove the cab.
This one was my all time favorite truck.
This one was my all time favorite truck.
#39
My favorite Louisvilles include:
*1979 LT9000 (as seen in this video by BurnsideF250 @ YouTube):
YouTube - 1979 Ford Louisville Detroit Diesel 6-92
(Has Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engine and Fuller RoadRanger RTO9513 transmission)
*1983 LNT9000 (Cummins NTC300 Big Cam III engine and Fuller Roadranger RT11609A transmission)
*1975 LNT9000 (Detroit Diesel 8V71T engine and Fuller RoadRanger RT910 transmission)
*1972 LNT8000 (Detroit Diesel 6V53N engine and Fuller RoadRanger RT610 transmission)
*1979 CLT9000 (Cummins VT350 (903 ci) engine and Fuller RoadRanger RTO12513 transmission)
~Ben
*1979 LT9000 (as seen in this video by BurnsideF250 @ YouTube):
YouTube - 1979 Ford Louisville Detroit Diesel 6-92
(Has Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engine and Fuller RoadRanger RTO9513 transmission)
*1983 LNT9000 (Cummins NTC300 Big Cam III engine and Fuller Roadranger RT11609A transmission)
*1975 LNT9000 (Detroit Diesel 8V71T engine and Fuller RoadRanger RT910 transmission)
*1972 LNT8000 (Detroit Diesel 6V53N engine and Fuller RoadRanger RT610 transmission)
*1979 CLT9000 (Cummins VT350 (903 ci) engine and Fuller RoadRanger RTO12513 transmission)
~Ben
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Hello, Ben:
I've been enjoying James K. Wagner's Ford Trucks Since 1905. It is a great collection of photos and historical information, but it's a bit thin on details for the late Ford Super Duty F-Models. At the moment, I am trying to identify a Ford dump truck that served my town's DPW from the late 1960s through the early 1980s. The truck in question was a Super Duty with a single rear axle and diesel engine. I estimate the truck to have had a GVW between 35,000 and 41,000 (because it was paired with four 1974 Ford L-8000s which, according to Wagner, maxed out at 35,000 pounds, and a pair of slightly newer Mack RD-600s, rated at 41,000). A source at the DPW told me this truck was "one of the last years for that model," which I interpreted to mean that it was a 1968 or 1969 model. Would this truck have been an F-950-D or F-1000-D (I can't even find mention of an F-1000-D in the 1969 Ford lineup in Wagner's book). Would either of those trucks have had a GVW between 35 and 41k? Or, could it have been an F-8000 (or was the F-8000 just an F-800 with a Ford diesel engine and, thus, a smaller truck than the F-950 and 1000-Ds)?
Cheers,
Glenn
PS: This is my very first posting. I realize this thread is now four years old, but any information you have would be greatly appreciated.
I've been enjoying James K. Wagner's Ford Trucks Since 1905. It is a great collection of photos and historical information, but it's a bit thin on details for the late Ford Super Duty F-Models. At the moment, I am trying to identify a Ford dump truck that served my town's DPW from the late 1960s through the early 1980s. The truck in question was a Super Duty with a single rear axle and diesel engine. I estimate the truck to have had a GVW between 35,000 and 41,000 (because it was paired with four 1974 Ford L-8000s which, according to Wagner, maxed out at 35,000 pounds, and a pair of slightly newer Mack RD-600s, rated at 41,000). A source at the DPW told me this truck was "one of the last years for that model," which I interpreted to mean that it was a 1968 or 1969 model. Would this truck have been an F-950-D or F-1000-D (I can't even find mention of an F-1000-D in the 1969 Ford lineup in Wagner's book). Would either of those trucks have had a GVW between 35 and 41k? Or, could it have been an F-8000 (or was the F-8000 just an F-800 with a Ford diesel engine and, thus, a smaller truck than the F-950 and 1000-Ds)?
Cheers,
Glenn
PS: This is my very first posting. I realize this thread is now four years old, but any information you have would be greatly appreciated.
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Ford F-950-D/1000-D
Thanks for the quick comeback. This dump truck was definitely a diesel (so I'm wrong about it being a Super Duty). Was the F-1000-D rated between 35 and 41K. Sorry, I don't have the VIN # and the truck has long since been retired.
Is there a place where specs such as these can be looked up?
Is there a place where specs such as these can be looked up?