GM releases details on upcoming Duramax 4.5L diesel
#31
06-02-2008, 08:29 AM
A 25% gain in fuel efficiency from the 13-17 ratings on the 5.4 will ony be 17.5 and 21.25 MPG.
That's not going to be good enough to warrant payback on just the Diesel Engine alone.
Throw in the fact that diesel is 25% more than gas to begin with and the huge cost of diesel service and this new diesel is a loser before it even hits the market.
The added cost of the diesel engine in the 1/2 ton is going to price it near a SD.
Cafe standards have ruined the diesel engine. it's time for smaller gassers or dual hybrid technology and a slightly smaller truck 1/2 ton F150.
That's not going to be good enough to warrant payback on just the Diesel Engine alone.
Throw in the fact that diesel is 25% more than gas to begin with and the huge cost of diesel service and this new diesel is a loser before it even hits the market.
The added cost of the diesel engine in the 1/2 ton is going to price it near a SD.
Cafe standards have ruined the diesel engine. it's time for smaller gassers or dual hybrid technology and a slightly smaller truck 1/2 ton F150.
#32
06-02-2008, 08:31 PM
Fords doing it because everyone else is, bad idea or not. A diesel in a 1/2 ton should have been brought out ten years ago, not now. Did you notice that truck sales have drastically declined in past months? Did you notice that Diesel is $1.00 more per gal than Diesel in many places?
The F-150s and F-250SD are pretty close in size physically. Towing ratings between the two are getting closer and closer as the model years progress, there is still a gap in ratings but...... There is a gap in payload but again it keeps getting closer as it progresses. I just don't see the point in having an F-150 that is that close to a SD. An F-150 is also super close in price to the F-250SD, about $750 difference gasser to gasser. Convential towing between a similar equipped F-150 and F-250SD is about 3500lbs, not too far off.
Engine, transmission, transfer case, front/rear axles and etc, all part of a drivetrain where I come from.
The F-150s and F-250SD are pretty close in size physically. Towing ratings between the two are getting closer and closer as the model years progress, there is still a gap in ratings but...... There is a gap in payload but again it keeps getting closer as it progresses. I just don't see the point in having an F-150 that is that close to a SD. An F-150 is also super close in price to the F-250SD, about $750 difference gasser to gasser. Convential towing between a similar equipped F-150 and F-250SD is about 3500lbs, not too far off.
Engine, transmission, transfer case, front/rear axles and etc, all part of a drivetrain where I come from.
If you so positive that a 1/2 ton F150 is so close to a 3/4 ton F250 with a 6.4 Go pull around 9000lbs for awhile with both and let us know.
Drivetrain warrenty covers axles now as well?
#33
06-03-2008, 05:08 PM
"If you so positive that a 1/2 ton F150 is so close to a 3/4 ton F250 with a 6.4 Go pull around 9000lbs for awhile with both and let us know."
Got a Diesel F-150 to put up against the 6.4l SD? So you want the F-150 to pull just as good as the SD? Why have the SD then? Only F-150 available now is a gasser and ratings are not that far off from a SD. Maybe you should look up the specs on a gasser F-150 vs a gasser F-250SD and educate yourself.
I take it Ford has zero confirmed specs out for the F-150 diesel power and rating wise?
Got a Diesel F-150 to put up against the 6.4l SD? So you want the F-150 to pull just as good as the SD? Why have the SD then? Only F-150 available now is a gasser and ratings are not that far off from a SD. Maybe you should look up the specs on a gasser F-150 vs a gasser F-250SD and educate yourself.
I take it Ford has zero confirmed specs out for the F-150 diesel power and rating wise?
#34
06-04-2008, 09:13 AM
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If ford, or anyone wanted to actually build a high mileage truck, they should be working on making LESS power with a small diesel. Put a 2.5l diesel engine that makes 150 hp in a half ton truck and you'd get great mileage.
Only problem is people who want to be able to drag race thier trucks uphill with a loaded trailer would bitch and whine about it being "gut-less."
Seems to me, customers want it boths ways.
To my mind, a half ton isn't meant for hauling a holiday trailer or any heavy items. That's why they sell heavier trucks in the consumer market.
Only problem is people who want to be able to drag race thier trucks uphill with a loaded trailer would bitch and whine about it being "gut-less."
Seems to me, customers want it boths ways.
To my mind, a half ton isn't meant for hauling a holiday trailer or any heavy items. That's why they sell heavier trucks in the consumer market.
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06-04-2008, 08:44 PM
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I had a 2.9 Ranger making 140HP when it was new. It was an XLT supercab 4x4. I loved that truck and it's the truck that got me hooked on Fords.
But I'd never want that kind of HP in a truck. Even if it was high torque, it would still be slow, probably wouldn't get enough MPG for the trade off, and wouldn't sell.
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But I'd never want that kind of HP in a truck. Even if it was high torque, it would still be slow, probably wouldn't get enough MPG for the trade off, and wouldn't sell.
Mike
#40
06-05-2008, 09:19 AM
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North American consumers need to shift thier mindset about trucks. if you can get the 4.5l V6 powerstroke in the Ford LCF with GVWR's up to 19,500 lbs, then I don't see why an F150 would need a similarly sized engine. It doesn't make sense. Yes, the LCF is a little slow, but it's very efficient.
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North American consumers need to shift thier mindset about trucks. if you can get the 4.5l V6 powerstroke in the Ford LCF with GVWR's up to 19,500 lbs, then I don't see why an F150 would need a similarly sized engine. It doesn't make sense. Yes, the LCF is a little slow, but it's very efficient.
Reference: Ford Motor Company of Canada, Limited
Reference: Ford Motor Company of Canada, Limited
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#43
09-27-2019, 07:34 PM
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Give up guys, teleportation will be here is 6 months. No need for cars at all!
Virtual vacations in the comfort of your home for $19.95. Including a fake sunburn (witout the pain)
Imagany homes, live in run down one room apartment in down town Detroit, but looks like $10 000 a night hotel in you virtual reality glasses.
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