What did you do about worn/damaged parts. I didn't see "transmission parts" listed in the parts catalog that I have.
Did you guys find "donors" or is there a source for new components? As far as I know, the truck has about 165K miles on it, but had the engine rebuild at 100k... I don't know much more about what was done, or if anything was done to the transmission, etc. Hoping to keep it all original. I have already replaced all the wiring and restored the inside, but like I said, was a little uneasy about working on the transmission, but there's a first time for everything...

Thanks!

 

Minor transmission fixit~This will cure the double clutch problem.

3-C3AZ-7A044-A .. Second/High Syncro Shoes*

1-C4TZ-7052-A .. Output Shaft Seal*

1-C3AZ-7025-C .. Bearing~Input Shaft*

1-51A-7065-A .. Bearing~Output Shaft

2-81A-7107-A .. Syncro Blocking Brass Rings

1-B-7118 .. Input Shaft Pilot Bearing

1-C3AZ-7118-A .. Kit~Roller Pilot Bearing (15 pieces)*

44-C3AZ-7121-A .. Roller Bearings~Counter Shaft*

1-B8AZ-7153-A .. Gasket Set*

1-C3TZ-7B331-B .. Small Parts Kit~All Snap Rings~Washers, etc*

1-B3TZ-7561-A .. Throwout Bearing Hub

1-C0TZ-7580-A .. Throwout Bearing*

1-C9ZZ-10094-A .. Clutch Pilot Bearing* (yes! B-7600 is replaced by a alternator brg)


*Updated part numbers / Note: This transmission with minor variations was used from 1953 into the 1960's. Some of the other part numbers may have been updated, but I don't have all the refs to do that. Most if not all these parts can prolly be bought from NAPA. It's a pretty "standard" standard transmission. (Parts list #13 in 1948/56 truck parts book///parts list #1 in 1964/72 truck parts book~some parts may/may not be different)

 

Wow. Thanks Bill! You are awesome! I was talking with a neighbor about it, and he told me to look for a rebuild kit, but wasn't sure what would be in it - if I found one. Looks like you have everything here! Between this and the drive shaft parts you gave me earlier, I should be all set for next weekend! Guess I will replace the clutch also and it will be done while I am in there.
I sure appreciate you taking the time and interest to get the info for me. Like I said, I am kind of uncomfortable with the whole idea of "transmission". I was about ready to give up when I got the "RTFM!" from the other guy... so I sure appreciate the help - and again, thanks for taking the time to get the part numbers! I'll try to get it out during this week and get the parts rounded up and see if I can tackle it next weekend. Thanks again for all the help everyone!

 

Hey SpyFoxx,
The photos are excellent! Thanks for doing that - it's a HUGE help too! Thanks again for all the help guys - like I said, I was kind of uncertain going into this... but now... uh, well, not so much! ;-)
Thanks again - I'll let you know how it goes...

 

53redford,

You're welcome and good luck. PM me if you need more pictures.

As for my transmission, it was not too bad. Only the reverse gear had a few chips and they were not bad enough for me to warrant a replacement part. So, I didn't replace anything. Just cleaned out all the sand and dirt that had accumulated inside. I used POR-15 to paint it.

 

OK. Thanks. Did you get a rebuild "kit" or just buy individual replacement parts as needed? Any other suggestions on what to do while I'm "in there" (planning on doing the clutch also)...

Thanks again!

 

Update on the Tranny. I got the driveshaft out and then the transmission late this afternoon. With the parts list from Bill, and SpyFoxx' photos, and the shop manual, I think I am all set. Thanks again all for the help - I never would have considered trying to do this, but so far, it hasn't been that bad.
Like I said, I haven't ever worked on a driveshaft or tranny, so something as simple as "remove the driveshaft" in the shop manual had be stumped. I took out the bolts, but couldn't get the shaft out, until SpyFoxx mentioned how to get it out, and with that, and a tap from a hammer, it was easy.
I can see how a sandblaster would help - there is about a 1/4" of grease/sand all over down there!
Again thanks all for the help, and a little "push"... I am real glad I am doing this instead of just replacing the seals. It's about a 90 mile trip over to the parts store for me, so will probably get over later this week and hope to get it put back together over next weekend. I'll let you know how it goes.

Thanks again!

 

Hello Again,
I got the U-Joints and pinion seal out - wow... THAT was a struggle-especially the pinion nut. I have a question though. It LOOKS like there was a paper(?) gasket (ring) in there under the seal. It was mostly disintegrated, but there was 1/3 of an "arc" left, so it was definately a gasket, and not just built up 'sludge'. I will take the parts list from Bill, but am wondering if the Pinion Seal comes with a gasket also, or if that's something else that was in there that I need to look for? Not sure from the diagram.
Got the clutch out today also, so will take the disc and pressure plate with me to see if I can track one down, with the parts list.
Anyway, I just thought I'd double-check on the 'inner gasket' under the rear pinion seal, to make sure. Thanks again.

 

Just to be clear about this 1/3 gasket you found, on the differential housing there is a nut and washer which hold on what I called a "yoke"; if you look at my gallery, this is the nut I was removing with the 24". This is also what I referred to earlier as a second place for gear oil to leak. Right?

If so, then yes, there is a gasket that goes between the yoke and the washer. I just cut a gasket the size of the washer from some gasket material I already had. I suppose you could buy one too. The gasket is what I coated really well with silicon sealant.

If you are talking about a gasket that goes next to the seal in the differential then I am at a loss. I didn't have one but that doesn't mean I am right.

When I priced a 10" clutch disc (just the disc, not a throw-out bearing or pressure plate) at NAPA about a year ago they had one for ~$50. So don't be sticker shocked. The plate was quoted around ~$75.

I will be back on later tonight. Ask any more questions and I will give you my input.

 

Hello,
Yes, it's the same spot - the nut, but I don't think it's the same one. This one is about the same size as the seal (maybe 2.5" or so in OD), but real thin (1/8" maybe from inner to outer edge of gasket).
Looking at the rear end (now - with the seal removed), I see a cover plate/washer with "Bower 02872" stamped into it - is this the "oil slinger" on top of the bearing (which I didn't remove) - or is this the bearing itself?
I am looking at the diagram in the shop manual...I removed the nut and washer, the yoke (u-joint flange) and oil seal, and I think, the oil slinger, and the 'think gasket" under the oil seal.
Do I need to remove the bearing and bearing cup and replace them also?
Ouch - thanks for the warning on the clutch parts... still probably cheaper than one of the old parts places, plus shipping... thanks.

 

8M-4671 .. Gasket, Oil Slinger (Spicer # 30188)

8M-4859 .. Dust Shield~slips over end of companion flange (Spicer # 15099)

These parts are not shown in the older parts illustration (1948/56) I was using (prolly left out in error), but are shown in the 1964/72 parts book illustration. The parts numbers listed are period numbers from 1948/49. The Spicer 44 was used on Fords beginning in 1948. It's up to you if you wish to replace the front pinion bearing and race, here are the parts numbers:


8A-4616-A .. Pinion Race (Industry # 02820)

8M-4621-A .. Pinion Bearing (Industry # 02872)

Bower is a maker of seals and gaskets. The reason the Bower number doesn't match to the Spicer number I posted, is because Ford didn't use Bower parts, and therefore, that part (and prolly others stuff) has been replaced before by some garage.

 

Wow - Thanks! I'm heading over to town after work today and see what I can find. Thanks for the parts info (again!)!

 

Looks like NumberDummy got you set up. And, as he said, replacing the bearing/race is up to you. I decided not to but mine felt great once I cleaned out the old gunk, etc.

 

Howdy. Just thought I'd let you know how I made out with the parts. I got the a clutch 'repair kit' from NAPA for $212(!) (everything) - and they had to order it. They had the "oil seal", which they cross-referenced as Napa 15788. I got PDQ (brand) UJoints #1-0153 also, and THAT'S IT. They didn't have anything else. They didn't even show the parts in their system. The one guy at NAPA tried real hard to help, and did find me the clutch kit (but ouch!). Most of the other places, just have the attitude, oh it's a '53, we don't have it, and after I gave them the parts that NumberDummy gave me, they typed them in and said they couldn't find them... (Advanced Auto -formerly discount auto), the girl at the counter was more interested in talking to her boyfriend on the phone. They sent me to a place that specialized in 'rear ends' (!) and they looked at the seal and said they wouldn't have it, that I'd have to go to Ford... see ya!
Anyway, I called VanPelt (on the 'net), and am hopeful they can get the tranny parts for me (I haven't heard back yet). I hope the oil seal is correct. It looks like the 'oil slinger' that was behind it, got slightly bent, but maybe can straighten it out.
I went to ALL the parts stores in the area, and NAPA last. I guess where I live isn't the end of the earth... but you can see it from here.
Can you believe I couldn't even find an oil pan gasket for the truck?!? The only place that thought they could "maybe" order it was NAPA, but it wasn't in their system... so I told them I'd just try to get it online (RockAuto has it I think).
Rock auto shows rear end and differential parts, but it's kind of confusing as to which one is which (they list diameters, etc) - I guess there were at least a couple of trannys that were used, unless one was an automatic and one a manual?
Anyway, just thought I'd let you know I kind of had a frustrating day, but I'll get back on it tomorrow. Hopefully VanPelt will hook me up with the tranny parts. Do you guys think I will be 'ok' just replacing the one seal in the back (the Napa 15788 part)?

Thanks

 

I am lucky in the sense that the NAPA regional warehouse is 5 minutes from my office so if they don't have it, you know that none of the other satellite stores will either. Anyway, my point being, that even there, the NAPA guys have to pull out their books and old catalogs to find my parts; their computer just won't do it. So far, they have had almost everything I needed except for the real specialty items that I have to go to an old ford parts place to get anyway.

If I am not mistaken, the seal used at one end of the drive shaft is the same seal used at the other end from NAPA, i.e. the same part number. Do a dry run with the seal you have and compare them. Might answer your question.