Agreed. So how does Ford come back to the owner to make them pay?

 

TN Mac,

I would not go so far to think any better service from Toyota. I have a friend that has a new V8 SUV, Toyota makes and the vehicle has the nastiest wrist pin knock in it and everyone that has heard it agree's its a bad wrist pin or loose piston and Toyota will not do a thing about it...

This guy paid 52K for the SUV and was thrilled with it till this all showed up and Yoda want fix the thing and it has less than 10,000 miles on it.

So I just see all sorts of things not so wonderful with whatever brand out there from time to time LOL... I am still hangin' on to my ol'e trusty 95 PSD so far till I am sure I want one of these new 08's... To get one of these new trucks and have darn payments again is bad enough, then add the fact I am not so sure the new truck will pull my Gooseneck trailer and get at least the same fuel mileage my 95' does LOL. Then maybe have trouble with Ford and Navistar if any warranty issues was to show up too???

I just wish I didn't want a new truck so bad, it would make this choice a lot easier LOL...

 

tn mac was "bent over"... in a manner of speaking...regarding his truck.
As would most folks in his position...he is not going to take another risk. No matter what anybody says or does.

Haven't heard from you in a while tn mac...hope you have been doing well.

 

Gave up on Toyota in 93 had a small $2.00 fuel valve let go in the back of the motor. Where they put it,the head had to be removed. cost me about $275.00 at the time. Then all sorts of problems with air cond and list went on. Very expensive and hard to work on. Good news on Ford production. My orig order date of 1-27 build date of 3-12 has been pushed off just one week to 3-19 a F450 with 4.30's, thanks to the help of a lot of people on this site I had changed my order from 488's looking to run less rpm's and a couple of extra mpg. Can already feel that extra towing capacity. twice that of my 99 350 DRW V10 with 3.73's

 

KW
doing well been very busy , bent over is right. and I know alot of other people who got the same treatment from ford. I am in the landscape business as you know and I know alot of SD owners and have let to meet one who gets over 15 mpgs out of a 6.0. so I find it hard to believe the 6.4 will be any better. And dont believe they have the exhaust right yet, if I was a betting man I would bet there will be some unhappy campers with 6.4 engines in about june when the temps climb. I hope I am wrong but ford got there last dollars from me on diesels. I am waiting on the new 1 ton toy for my next truck. I hope ford works there way back in race for quality trucks, but am afraid they have let the bean counter ruin there market share in the diesel truck market. all you have to do is look around the majority of sd you see now are driven by soccer moms and suits that pull the boat to the lake 5 times a year.the work truck market is going to the isuzu and gmc and they are much more dependable. As far as the toyotas go I can only speak from my experience bought one new in 95 250 k never a problem bought a new one in 2004 60k right now never been in the shop for anything but service. dont know if they will be better then the fords but they must be doing something right they are number two and will be mumber one next year and GM AND FORD have no one to blame but there self. The japs, learned all the quality stuff from american companies. I know I am dating myself but I can remember when jap products were thought of as junk, now american products are junk, sorry for the rant.

 

Noticed a few posts here talking about profits. Found an article (see link)...that claims the following:

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...703090382/1003

Who see's the problem here???

So...FORD is selling the engine for $6895 but being charged $7673! A loss of $778.

When it rains...it poors!

biz

 

ok now lets talk money and who isnt getting any. If ford is charged 6 or 7 thousand for the diesel and they are charging the customer around 7 for the option they are still making alot of money because they are saving the cost of the gas engine. Follow? If you buy a stock truck it comes with a gas engine. If you option for aq diesel you pay for the motor up charge, there is no delete money for the gas motor such as deleting a pick-up bed or pass. air bag. Ford makes plenty off of the diesel motor.

 

OK, I'm in manufacturing finance. I'm one of the bean counters who figures out how much it costs for my company to build its stuff.

Let's look at the original quote from the Courier-Journal:

I do not dispute that Ford is being charged $7,673 per engine, where your logic falls apart is where you assume that Ford is charging you $6,895 for the engine when in fact it's the EXTRA cost for the diesel. The cost of the V8 gasser is already baked into the base sticker price and I'd be willing to bet that the "price" to the consumer of that engine is $3,000 - $4,000, maybe more (5.4L crate engines run around $4,000). So you are really paying $9,895 - $10,895 for that diesel, a profit to Ford of at least $2,000.


So don't worry, Ford is making money on the deal.

 

I agree Mattbury

 

mattebury and G & L: Well said! You both make sense...and I see how FORD is still making money.

 

No company will be able to make money for long if they do what Home Depot did for it's CEO. He was paid almost $500 million (yes, you read it right) for a five year run. His severance for getting fired was $200 million. It just aint right...

 

I do not blame the CEO in these type deals. It is up to the company to make the offer and contract. If anything...I blame Home Depot board of directors...or whoever made the contract.

That goes for FORD Motor Company too! What a bunch of suckers!


biz

 

Of course Ford is making money- you idiots. If they were not, the diesel option would cost more. What is missing from the analysis above is that with the diesel option come a lot of other upgrades- springs, transmission, etc. But you can assume that it is a lot cheaper for Ford to manufacurer a gas motor than it is for Ford to buy a diesel. No wonder the cheap Cummins is such an attractive set-up for Daimler.

Now let's see- the local dealer sells Dodge Cummins 2500 4X SLTs for $30-32k. I see jokers paying over $40k for the new Ford... You see where this is heading, don't you?...

-Mike

 

I must be one of those idiots then.... I wouldnt pay 10k for a new Dodge. It is one of those things "you get what you pay for" If you don't have one then you need to get educated....

 

You are confused. I referred to the pricing structure of the diesel option regarding FoMoCo profit motive. You, on the other hand, refer to a preferance for one truck over the other. The fact that I bought the Ford instead of the Dodge seems to deflate your "educated" (if that is what you can call it) argument. My point- after diesel pricing, was that Ford is going to price itself out of the volume market. Sure, you may think one is vastly superior to the other- but the market considers all three to be players and the fact that the demand is elastic (MY 07/08 SuperDuty delivery numbers dropped realtive to Dodge 2500/3500) suggests that I am correct.

But this is off-topic. The issue here is whether or not FoMoCo is making money on the diesel option. I say that they are at the time of sale but face pressure on warranty costs- hense the litigation with Navistar.

-Mike