A little more info on cancelled V-6 Diesel
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Why did Ford cancel its contract with Navistar International for the 4.5-liter V-6 diesel that was to be used in several 2002 light trucks?
http://autoweek.com/cat_print.mv?content_code=05997064
Oh yeah, Ford and GM partner up on new 6-speed transmission.
http://autoweek.com/cat_print.mv?content_code=05997064
Oh yeah, Ford and GM partner up on new 6-speed transmission.
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Dan Thanks for the pointer , I couldn't get the html to work but once in auto week did search on Diesel , and found what I think you were pointing us to! thanks , Dan AKA Skully
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(08:30 Dec. 04, 2002)
Ford seeks right time, product for diesels; powertrain chief says emissions remain a challenge
By AUTOMOTIVE NEWS
Since taking over as vice president of Ford's Powertrain Operations a year ago, Dave Szczupak (pronounced Shoo-pak) has been under considerable pressure to raise quality, improve fuel economy, reduce emissions and contribute to Ford's cost-cutting efforts while launching several engines and transmissions. On top of all that came the unusual announcement in October that Ford and General Motors were partners on a new six-speed transmission.
Szczupak spoke with Automotive News Staff Reporter Richard Truett at last month's Specialty Equipment Market Association show in Las Vegas.
Why did Ford cancel its contract with Navistar International for the 4.5-liter V-6 diesel that was to be used in several 2002 light trucks?
I don't think we ever officially recognized there was a project. We've got a long-term partnership with Navistar. They have designed a V-6 off the V-8. We've got a contract to work with them on large diesels. As part of that agreement, we said we'd work together to create a V-6 for the future, but we've got some huge challenges. The technology to deliver the emissions still needs a lot of work. Clearly we are not going to launch a whole host of small diesels until we are sure they are going to meet the emissions requirements. We need low-sulfur fuel. So we are talking about an '06 calendar year or '07 before we are ready.
Were you anticipating being ready before 2006 to meet emissions standards with technology that didn't work out?
The '07 models are not that far away. So there's little point in us doing a huge engineering program and then having to tear it up 18 months later. The bottom line is we have to find a business case that works - the right time to launch it and the right product to launch it in. But we are committed to work with International to find the right business solution.
12/29/2002 21:48:48
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(08:30 Dec. 04, 2002)
Ford seeks right time, product for diesels; powertrain chief says emissions remain a challenge
By AUTOMOTIVE NEWS
Since taking over as vice president of Ford's Powertrain Operations a year ago, Dave Szczupak (pronounced Shoo-pak) has been under considerable pressure to raise quality, improve fuel economy, reduce emissions and contribute to Ford's cost-cutting efforts while launching several engines and transmissions. On top of all that came the unusual announcement in October that Ford and General Motors were partners on a new six-speed transmission.
Szczupak spoke with Automotive News Staff Reporter Richard Truett at last month's Specialty Equipment Market Association show in Las Vegas.
Why did Ford cancel its contract with Navistar International for the 4.5-liter V-6 diesel that was to be used in several 2002 light trucks?
I don't think we ever officially recognized there was a project. We've got a long-term partnership with Navistar. They have designed a V-6 off the V-8. We've got a contract to work with them on large diesels. As part of that agreement, we said we'd work together to create a V-6 for the future, but we've got some huge challenges. The technology to deliver the emissions still needs a lot of work. Clearly we are not going to launch a whole host of small diesels until we are sure they are going to meet the emissions requirements. We need low-sulfur fuel. So we are talking about an '06 calendar year or '07 before we are ready.
Were you anticipating being ready before 2006 to meet emissions standards with technology that didn't work out?
The '07 models are not that far away. So there's little point in us doing a huge engineering program and then having to tear it up 18 months later. The bottom line is we have to find a business case that works - the right time to launch it and the right product to launch it in. But we are committed to work with International to find the right business solution.
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more infor in its full form from Autoweek.
Ford unsure about when it will bring diesel engines to U.S. market
By RICHARD TRUETT
Automotive News
Even after emissions hurdles are overcome, Ford Motor Co. won't introduce diesel engines in North American cars and light trucks until they can be sold at a profit, said Nick Scheele, Ford's president of automotive operations.
"We could introduce diesels in North America," Scheele said. "Frankly, we are sitting on the fence. European diesels could find a home in North America, but we want a return on our capital greater than the cost of the capital. We won't invest in diesels until we are sure of a return."
Scheele made the comments during a panel discussion on the role of the diesel engine at the SAE World Congress last week.
Diesels can meet the tough federal Tier 2 emissions regulations. Three auto companies already have demonstrated they can met the standards, said panelist Jeffrey Holmstead, assistant administrator for air and radiation for the EPA. Tier 2 standards begin to take effect in 2004 and call for drastic cuts in oxides of nitrogen, or NOx, and particulate matter, or soot. Holmstead declined to name the companies that have met the standards.
Scheele doesn't think diesels could be sold profitably in cars and light trucks in North America until consumers overcome their outdated perceptions.
Technological improvements such as high-pressure common rail fuel injection and turbocharging have made the diesel a smooth, quiet and better performing engine. In some European countries diesels account for more than half of new-car sales.
Scheele said Ford might use the diesel-powered European Focus sedan to demonstrate to U.S. lawmakers and the public the progress the diesel has made in recent years. The car has a turbocharged 1.8-liter engine that delivers nearly 50 mpg.
Ford's plans for the diesel in North American vehicles may hinge on its ability to produce or source the engine here. Scheele said Ford is considering a plan to build diesels on the same line as gasoline engines in one of its U.S. plants.
Ford recently installed a new engine plant for its global inline four-cylinder in Dearborn, Mich.
Ford could also get a V-6 diesel from International Truck and Engine Corp. for a light truck.
Because diesel engines generally deliver a fuel-economy improvement of 25 percent or greater in fuel economy over gasoline engines, automakers have been considering them for North America. Only Volkswagen sells diesel-powered cars in the U.S. market, and in the light-vehicle market the Big 3 use diesels only in large pickups.
With the tougher EPA emissions regulations on the horizon and with California all but banning the diesel with its own set of regulations that requires diesels to run as cleanly as gasoline engines, automakers have been reluctant to commit to using the engine in North America.
GM says it has no plans for the diesel other than its current application in the heavy-duty Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickups.
I only cut and pasted so this is a direct quote of the original story by RICHARD TRUETT
Automotive News
thanks , Skully
Ford unsure about when it will bring diesel engines to U.S. market
By RICHARD TRUETT
Automotive News
Even after emissions hurdles are overcome, Ford Motor Co. won't introduce diesel engines in North American cars and light trucks until they can be sold at a profit, said Nick Scheele, Ford's president of automotive operations.
"We could introduce diesels in North America," Scheele said. "Frankly, we are sitting on the fence. European diesels could find a home in North America, but we want a return on our capital greater than the cost of the capital. We won't invest in diesels until we are sure of a return."
Scheele made the comments during a panel discussion on the role of the diesel engine at the SAE World Congress last week.
Diesels can meet the tough federal Tier 2 emissions regulations. Three auto companies already have demonstrated they can met the standards, said panelist Jeffrey Holmstead, assistant administrator for air and radiation for the EPA. Tier 2 standards begin to take effect in 2004 and call for drastic cuts in oxides of nitrogen, or NOx, and particulate matter, or soot. Holmstead declined to name the companies that have met the standards.
Scheele doesn't think diesels could be sold profitably in cars and light trucks in North America until consumers overcome their outdated perceptions.
Technological improvements such as high-pressure common rail fuel injection and turbocharging have made the diesel a smooth, quiet and better performing engine. In some European countries diesels account for more than half of new-car sales.
Scheele said Ford might use the diesel-powered European Focus sedan to demonstrate to U.S. lawmakers and the public the progress the diesel has made in recent years. The car has a turbocharged 1.8-liter engine that delivers nearly 50 mpg.
Ford's plans for the diesel in North American vehicles may hinge on its ability to produce or source the engine here. Scheele said Ford is considering a plan to build diesels on the same line as gasoline engines in one of its U.S. plants.
Ford recently installed a new engine plant for its global inline four-cylinder in Dearborn, Mich.
Ford could also get a V-6 diesel from International Truck and Engine Corp. for a light truck.
Because diesel engines generally deliver a fuel-economy improvement of 25 percent or greater in fuel economy over gasoline engines, automakers have been considering them for North America. Only Volkswagen sells diesel-powered cars in the U.S. market, and in the light-vehicle market the Big 3 use diesels only in large pickups.
With the tougher EPA emissions regulations on the horizon and with California all but banning the diesel with its own set of regulations that requires diesels to run as cleanly as gasoline engines, automakers have been reluctant to commit to using the engine in North America.
GM says it has no plans for the diesel other than its current application in the heavy-duty Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickups.
I only cut and pasted so this is a direct quote of the original story by RICHARD TRUETT
Automotive News
thanks , Skully
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12-31-2002, 12:56 PM
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A little more info on cancelled V-6 Diesel
>We won't
>invest in diesels until we are sure of a return."
>
Ford's "bean counter" attitude is going to kill them. Ford's stock is already at the bottom of the heap of major automakers. Ford has never built a Corvette/Viper type of car. Waiting for a "sure return" on everything is impossible. They have to take some chances or go out of business!
>Scheele said Ford might use the diesel-powered European
>Focus sedan to demonstrate to U.S. lawmakers and the public
>the progress the diesel has made in recent years. The car
>has a turbocharged 1.8-liter engine that delivers nearly 50
>mpg.
>
The specs on that car are awesome: 205 lb-ft of torque at 1900 rpm! That out of 1.8 liters, I'd buy it today if it was available here, but it won't run on our high-sulfur fuel.
>
>Only Volkswagen sells diesel-powered cars in
>the U.S. market
>
I've driven the Golf TDI. An ugly car with a great engine.
Jim
>invest in diesels until we are sure of a return."
>
Ford's "bean counter" attitude is going to kill them. Ford's stock is already at the bottom of the heap of major automakers. Ford has never built a Corvette/Viper type of car. Waiting for a "sure return" on everything is impossible. They have to take some chances or go out of business!
>Scheele said Ford might use the diesel-powered European
>Focus sedan to demonstrate to U.S. lawmakers and the public
>the progress the diesel has made in recent years. The car
>has a turbocharged 1.8-liter engine that delivers nearly 50
>mpg.
>
The specs on that car are awesome: 205 lb-ft of torque at 1900 rpm! That out of 1.8 liters, I'd buy it today if it was available here, but it won't run on our high-sulfur fuel.
>
>Only Volkswagen sells diesel-powered cars in
>the U.S. market
>
I've driven the Golf TDI. An ugly car with a great engine.
Jim