79 400 Compression Ratio Trivia

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79 400 Compression Ratio Trivia

Ok, I've always wanted to know this. Maybe you guys out there can give me a good guess on what my compression ratio actually is.

I have a 79 400 2V, and what I did to increase the compression ratio in it was to install flat top pistons from Badger, and also shaved the stock heads down 18 mills. I didn't do anything fancy with the head gasket, just the regular ones from Felpro. That's about it. I didn't have the block shaved. Just the heads.

The engine runs great, but I'm just curious as to what the new compression ratio probably is.

Any guesses?
 

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I'll bet if you post this in the engine forum you will get a better answer.
 
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I read the article, but the only thing of note to me was that the '71 flat topped pistoned 400 had 9.0:1 compression, so I think it's safe to say that the Badger flat tops I put in my 400 alone would bring the CR up to 9.0:1, assuming the '79 is the same except for the low compression pistons.

So now I need to know how much more the CR would have risen due to the shaving of the heads 18 mills.

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What is the part number on your replacement pistons?
 
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Aftermarket piston's compression height and valve relief size vary. So do factory block deck heights + or - .005". Figure 3.5 to 4cc was removed from the chamber and compression is probably 9.3 to 9.4:1.
http://www.fordmuscle.com/calculators/compression.shtml
 
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With the quality control of the '70s, it's possible that the block heights can be off more than the +-.005, but even with that tolorance the CR would be hard to guess.

Is there a way to use a compression tester to figure out the CR? The meter I have for a compression tester doesn't measure ratio, just PSI.
 
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Unfortunately using a compression tester to determine compression ratio has tooo many variables, it can be approximated, but not nearly as accurate as you want.

Compression pressure, approximate @ cranking speed :
8.0---140PSI
9.0---160
10.0--180
11.0--200
 
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I bet yopu don't have a "79" 400, they didn't make them in '79.Better do some more research on your engine #s.
 
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This is a bet you would lose, my friend FastFord59. I have a 400 in my '79, and it's stock. I am as sure as the sun shines, the wind blows, and the snow falls on that.

Ford made the 400 up until 1983.
 
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Another variable is the cam. Did you do a cam change in the engine? Depending on the cam it may also change you dynamic cr. Theres a calculator that works nicely figuring in some of the variables on the kbsilvolite site. We would assume you have a 400 crank in there or it would run terrible as the badgers would be way down in the hole.
 
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Originally Posted by fastford59
I bet yopu don't have a "79" 400, they didn't make them in '79.Better do some more research on your engine #s.
Sure they did, hope you don't gamble.

Here are 2 VIN's from my Bronco's.

1 is a U15H and the other is a U15S.

H=351M and the S=400
 
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I put the Comp Cam 265DEH K kit in it. Lots of goodies in that kit. I was happy as can be putting that in. It was beautiful!

I'm guessing that with what I did during the build, it's at about 9.8:1 compression. I imagine it's close to that.

I think the confusion with the 400 might be that it's not in a truck. Although I own a Ford truck, this particular vehicle is a '79 Town Car that came with a Ford 400 as the only engine available for that year for Town Cars.
 
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351M/400 production stopped at the end of model year 1982.

If the stock Badger flat tops are being used they have a 9:1 nominal compression ratio when installed in a completely stock engine. Their compression height is also .010 lower than the factory pistons to make up for the fact that the block and/or heads may need to be decked. If you took .018 off of your heads then you may be around 9.2:1 if that but the only real way to tell is to measure the total amount of space above the piston and calculate it out.
 
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Thank you Bill,I rest my case...no 400 in '79
 


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