Getting back to the topic at hand. Dodge changes engines like I change my clothes everyday. If Dodge stayed with the V-10 and V-8 gassers instead off going too the hemi. There truck business would be gone by now. Now there going to a 6.1 hemi when the 5.7 hemi came out like 2 years ago if Im right. It will probably go by the wayside in another few years. Dodge deception at its finest. The best thing to do is to avoid Dodges period.

 

Think about what you are saying here. Dodge does not change engines like you change your clothes. They just changed the 5.9 a year and a half ago. And the 5.2 at the same time. The 8.0 V10 was long overdo for change, and the 6.1 will replace it this spring sometime. I won't even mention the 5.9 Cummins.

Look back through the 90s. Dodge was sticking with the same engines while Ford was changing, year after year. I don't understand where you are getting this from. It will be a while before the 5.7 is replaced, and the 6.1 isnt even out yet.

Dodge just did a mojor update thats all. They replaced everything they had, except the Cummins.

5.9 went to 5.7 Hemi
5.2 went to 4.7
8.0 dropped completely (soon to be replaced by the 6.1 Hemi)
8.0 Viper V10 went to 8.3

Thats 4 changes in abot 10 years. Where did that post come from ?

 

And not to mention they changed EVERYTHING about the Cummins in those years, it's not like you get the same one today that you would get back then. Why are they waiting so long to replace the V10? They're just losing sales of people that don't want diesel but know that the Hemi is SEVERELY underpowered in a 3/4 ton truck. (no flames, I also think the 5.4 is not a good fit for a 3/4 ton, neither engine makes enough power, IMO)

 

Not to mention horsepower doesn't mean as much as torque when it comes to moving a truck the size of a super duty.

 

Which I don't feel the Hemi or the 5.4 have enough of to be in trucks of this size.

 

Exactly, the Hemi is junk in a heavy duty truck. You need low end power, that's why the diesels, triton v10, and even the Chevy 8.1 sell good in these BIG trucks.

 

I think that the V10 and 8.1 should be standard engines in these trucks, Dodge really needs to hurry up and get an engine to stay competitive in 3/4 ton gassers.

 

There is no replacement for displacement, and the 8.1L, 330 hp@4200, 450 ft-lb@3200 Chevy is hard to beat. And it still makes those great V-8 sounds. The 6.8 would be a better match for the 6.0L.

 

How that displacement is made is key. In order to make the Chevy pass emission tests, it's detuned to where the 6.8L ford puts out 32 more horses (362 @ 4750) and 7 more ft-lbs (457 ft-lbs @ 3250 rpms) than it. The 6.8L accomplishes that using a small bore/large stroke design.

 

yeah, the new ford V10 is all over the 8.1 vortec

 

The Ford V10 used to hold it's own, if not beat, the Chevy 496 BEFORE Ford went with the 3V heads. Now the 3V Ford V10 will kill the 8.1.

 

I usually agree with you...................but the 426 Superbirds had it all over the 427 causing Ford to introduce the SOHC and then the Boss.

Your Cleveland statement confuses the heck outta me. The Yates head CURRENTLY used in NASCAR is a direct relative of the Cleveland. The Cleveland was never outlawed in NASCAR.

In NHRA, however, Cleveland heads were given weight penalties........is that what you're thinking of?

 

I don't see why everybody thinks that the Hemi, or 5.4 for that matter, is too small for a 3/4 ton pickup. We haul and tow more with our chevys (one with a TBI and one with a Vortec 350) than many of you guys probably do with your diesels. One is a HD 3/4 ton with a flatbed and bale fork, and one is a LD 3/4 ton (6-lug wheels). Of course, with 12,000 pounds behind them, they're workin' pretty hard to pull hills. A little more power would be nice, but it is not really needed. My dad is sceptical about diesels, and doesn't want a gas gussler either (only wish I could talk him into a 496 ).

I just bought an 1st gen Dodge diesel, but I later found that the gooseneck hitch would not work with our horse trailer. When I noticed that it was only clamped to the bed of the box, not attached to the frame, I was glad that it didn't work!!!!!!! Anyway, it will be nice to have that around to do some of the towing.

 

You show the hp for the ford V-10 being 375lb-ft and 1500 rpm. you wouldn't happen to have the hp rating and rpm for this engine would you? im just curious

Somone said somthing about leaning away from deasels. In reality what you are probibly going to be seeing in the next decade is hybrid deasels. I would predict a hybrid of this type to produce probibly 500hp @ 2500rpm and 600ft-lbs @ 2000rpm consuming about 30mpg. Currently dodge puts out the best deasel on the market. I not sure but if i recall it's somthing like 575 horse and 610 ft-lbs. i know it gets around 18 mpg.

 

cummins is at 305hp not 500hp