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Personally, if the valves are all sealing and it runs good, I'd leave them alone. Doubt the engine would know the difference. Unless it has adjustable lifters, you could open up a can of worms swapping them around. JMO....
 
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The material the intake valves are made of won't last long running at exhaust valve temperatures. If the intake valves would work in exhaust, the factory wouldn't bother with the different exhaust valves.
 
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It's well worth the time involved to measure all the valve clearances before disassembly, too.
 
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Intake is off

One head is cracked but machine shop welded, cleaned and milled.

Got new studs from Van Pelts.

Here are pic of the chest cavity. Gonna switch the revesred valves. Yep, opening that can of worms.

Any insight from the pics would be great!






Driver side. Gotta zoom in





Passenger side. Really gotta zoom in.
 
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Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
I have no experience with either Dennis C's or Summit's bolts. I have heard of problems with length but don't remember whose bolts they were.

On 8BA-style engines, leakage isn't as big a deal as the engines with studs, but most of the bolts are "wet" (go into the water jackets). I use copper anti-seize liberally on the head bolts, no leaks, and easy to remove. Lots of people prefer Permatex #2 non-hardening sealant, or the gold standard is GM p/n 012346004, a teflon-based sealant ($18 for 50cc's !!)

Jonathan, I usually paint the heads then paint the bolt heads after installation. The only rust that's a concern is in the threads or the shank under the head, and you don't want to paint those areas.

PS, Most of the flathead gurus on Ford Bard recommend backing down from the factory specs of 65 ft-lbs on the head bolt, to 55. The thin decks on these engines are a concern. With FelPro composition gaskets, no problems with sealing.
Finally got it back together and it sounds great! Cranks right up!! However, the bubbles are still there. I ran it for about 45 minutes and no overheat at idle.

I torqued the bolts to the recommended 55 but am thinking about stepping it up to 65, as I am out of ideas.

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You need to do at least two re-torques after getting it up to temperature. Keep doing it until they hold the 55.

I'm skeptical of welding heads. A good used head for an 8BA can be had for $10 most of the time, but shipping is a killer. But for all the work involved, a better solution than trying to weld cast iron.

PS was the head crack over #3?
 
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Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
You need to do at least two re-torques after getting it up to temperature. Keep doing it until they hold the 55.

I'm skeptical of welding heads. A good used head for an 8BA can be had for $10 most of the time, but shipping is a killer. But for all the work involved, a better solution than trying to weld cast iron.

PS was the head crack over #3?
Ok I will retorque it a couple of more times at 55.

The crack and weld were at 4. Top left corner at the firewall.
 
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Was the crack on the combustion chamber side, or the outside? So what was washing #3?
 
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Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
Was the crack on the combustion chamber side, or the outside? So what was washing #3?
Combustion side. The below pic shows where the weld was in RED. The pic was taken after taking the heads off; so the old gasket is blocking the crack.

Not sure what was washing 3.






Gaskets are still on heads
 
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Found an upclose pic of 3&4. It looks like water was coming from top bolts.

Pic was taken right after taking heads off and before swapping valves.

 
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I've never seen a piston so completely clean, I have to believe for whatever reason someone cleaned it up. I can't imagine washing being so uniform.

You might try getting a cooling system pressure tester on loan from AutoZone to see if the system is tight. (But don't go over 4 psi!!)
 
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Conclusion

I retorqued the heads after coming up to temperature two times and they held 55 lbs torque. Did one last time for good measure. Bubbles still there but very faint.

I cannot find where the bubbles are getting in. Oil looks good. Water does not smell like fuel.

Tested the cooling system and it held pressure. No leaks whilst running except at the cap. So I tightened cap and bent in the cap's ledge that hold onto radiator. No leaks at idle or while driving.

Gonna drive it for a whole and hope that the bubbles are just reminsce of multiple flushes and age. Thanks for all of the guidance and support.

Here are some pics:










 
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Are you using a 4 psi cap? Any more and your radiator tanks may spring leaks.

I tend to agree, you may be seeing air trapped in the heads gradually working its way out. Keep an eye on it!
 
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