Recall 2011-2014 F250-F550 6.7L 14E03
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if the temps are reduced in practice, does this really reduce/stop the sensor failure which appears to be causing the stop now alert.
I suspect that the engineers HOPE so, given probable lab tests..
whether trucks with sensors that have been run thru higher heat levels will last is an item that will take some time and some customer experience feedback.
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What exactly are you wanting to see? here's data for an f550----<table border="0" cellpadding="5"> <tbody><tr> <td nowrap="">PCM 1 </td> <td align="center">FFFF </td> <td align="center">FFFF </td> <td align="center">FF0C </td></tr> <tr> <td nowrap="">PCM 2 </td> <td align="center">FFFF </td> <td align="center">FFFF </td> <td align="center">F1FF </td></tr> <tr> <td nowrap="">PCM 3 </td> <td align="center">C841 </td> <td align="center">2F00 </td> <td align="center">42 </td></tr> <tr> <td nowrap="">PCM 4 </td> <td align="center">7321 </td> <td align="center">FFFF </td> <td align="center">FFA5 </td></tr> <tr> <td nowrap="">PCM 5 </td> <td align="center">FFFF </td> <td align="center">1F2F </td> <td align="center">FF60 </td></tr> <tr> <td nowrap="">PCM 6 </td> <td align="center">FFFF </td> <td align="center">FFFF </td> <td align="center">FF11 </td></tr> <tr> <td nowrap="">PCM 7 </td> <td align="center">FFFF </td> <td align="center">FFFF </td> <td align="center">FF12 </td></tr> <tr> <td nowrap="">PCM 8 </td> <td align="center">FFFF </td> <td align="center">FFFF </td> <td align="center">FF13 </td></tr> <tr> <td nowrap="">PCM 9 </td> <td align="center">FFFF </td> <td align="center">FFFF </td> <td align="center">FF14 </td></tr></tbody></table>
Easy- what does the recall DO? All we can do is speculate...
If the recall is a reflash that allows for a limp mode rather than a shut-down when an EGT sensor loses its mind, that's great news.
But if all it does is lengthen the existing regens while running a lower temp, in some mis-guided attempt to "save" an EGT sensor from failing, well, that's not that big a deal, imo.
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Easy- what does the recall DO? All we can do is speculate...
If the recall is a reflash that allows for a limp mode rather than a shut-down when an EGT sensor loses its mind, that's great news.
But if all it does is lengthen the existing regens while running a lower temp, in some mis-guided attempt to "save" an EGT sensor from failing, well, that's not that big a deal, imo.
If the recall is a reflash that allows for a limp mode rather than a shut-down when an EGT sensor loses its mind, that's great news.
But if all it does is lengthen the existing regens while running a lower temp, in some mis-guided attempt to "save" an EGT sensor from failing, well, that's not that big a deal, imo.
what do you DO?
1. you cannot replace them all, if the conditions which cause them to fail are not found and mitigated
2. you cannot install all new designed systems (dual, parallel ...)
3. the reason for the STOP NOW was because of a concern for some reason (I'm not the coder, designer, or exec making that decision, but you can expect it was pretty serious),, my 'guess' is the sensor reporting out of spec signals indicating real trouble..
IF one can reduce and/or eliminate the sensor reporting out of spec, then the condition which is driving the alert decision would go away, without changing the actual programming to handle that condition.
maybe 'enhanced drivability' means that the alert doesn't appear, or appears differently (limp mode), or something else we haven't considered.
Ford, nor any other manufacturer, is under no obligation to tell anyone exactly what a specific implementation means in raw detail.
IF we believe that the contributors on this forum had anything to do with the change, then if we look at our request it was to STOP being forced to pull over NOW.. If Ford achieves that result, do you CARE HOW they did it? I personally do not care which bit changed in the data VLONEY showed us. If the Gov't investigation prompted Ford to publish this recall, and it helps SOME, I'm good with that too..
edit: I also do not believe this will be the last action Ford will need to take on this topic
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come on man, think it thru.. over 1.6 million sensors on the road.
what do you DO?
1. you cannot replace them all, if the conditions which cause them to fail are not found and mitigated
2. you cannot install all new designed systems (dual, parallel ...)
3. the reason for the STOP NOW was because of a concern for some reason (I'm not the coder, designer, or exec making that decision, but you can expect it was pretty serious),, my 'guess' is the sensor reporting out of spec signals indicating real trouble..
IF one can reduce and/or eliminate the sensor reporting out of spec, then the condition which is driving the alert decision would go away, without changing the actual programming to handle that condition.
maybe 'enhanced drivability' means that the alert doesn't appear, or appears differently (limp mode), or something else we haven't considered.
Ford, nor any other manufacturer, is under no obligation to tell anyone exactly what a specific implementation means in raw detail.
IF we believe that the contributors on this forum had anything to do with the change, then if we look at our request it was to STOP being forced to pull over NOW.. If Ford achieves that result, do you CARE HOW they did it? I personally do not care which bit changed in the data VLONEY showed us. If the Gov't investigation prompted Ford to publish this recall, and it helps SOME, I'm good with that too..
what do you DO?
1. you cannot replace them all, if the conditions which cause them to fail are not found and mitigated
2. you cannot install all new designed systems (dual, parallel ...)
3. the reason for the STOP NOW was because of a concern for some reason (I'm not the coder, designer, or exec making that decision, but you can expect it was pretty serious),, my 'guess' is the sensor reporting out of spec signals indicating real trouble..
IF one can reduce and/or eliminate the sensor reporting out of spec, then the condition which is driving the alert decision would go away, without changing the actual programming to handle that condition.
maybe 'enhanced drivability' means that the alert doesn't appear, or appears differently (limp mode), or something else we haven't considered.
Ford, nor any other manufacturer, is under no obligation to tell anyone exactly what a specific implementation means in raw detail.
IF we believe that the contributors on this forum had anything to do with the change, then if we look at our request it was to STOP being forced to pull over NOW.. If Ford achieves that result, do you CARE HOW they did it? I personally do not care which bit changed in the data VLONEY showed us. If the Gov't investigation prompted Ford to publish this recall, and it helps SOME, I'm good with that too..
Sam- maybe you mis-read my question. I wasn't asking what do WE do, I was asking what the recall does.
Everyone will categorize their priority of getting this recall done differently, and I think if we knew what it actually addressed, it would make it a much easier "go/no-go" decision.
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Sam- maybe you mis-read my question. I wasn't asking what do WE do, I was asking what the recall does.
Everyone will categorize their priority of getting this recall done differently, and I think if we knew what it actually addressed, it would make it a much easier "go/no-go" decision.
Everyone will categorize their priority of getting this recall done differently, and I think if we knew what it actually addressed, it would make it a much easier "go/no-go" decision.
I'm gonna get the recall.. and carry my safety kit, and hope I never use it.
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Sam- maybe you mis-read my question. I wasn't asking what do WE do, I was asking what the recall does.
Everyone will categorize their priority of getting this recall done differently, and I think if we knew what it actually addressed, it would make it a much easier "go/no-go" decision.
Everyone will categorize their priority of getting this recall done differently, and I think if we knew what it actually addressed, it would make it a much easier "go/no-go" decision.
I wasn't asking what WE (customers do).. I was asking you to put yourself in Ford's position and decide what to do..
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Since I have lived with recalls or updates since 2004, you can ignore and go about your merry way or have it done if your truck was on the list. Ignore and go on will show up later if you stop by the dealer for a repair, which should not be a problem, and the Service writer should inform you.
They can tweak and adjust the programs on these trucks with no problem, is it for the best? You decide as an owner. No need to fix what is not broken but it could be a great improvement. From the information I have seen, EGT is lowered which is a good thing. I would rather have a longer regen than heat related damage.
They can tweak and adjust the programs on these trucks with no problem, is it for the best? You decide as an owner. No need to fix what is not broken but it could be a great improvement. From the information I have seen, EGT is lowered which is a good thing. I would rather have a longer regen than heat related damage.
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Ok I had the recall done this morning on my 2012 f350kr with 32500 miles on it. First thing I noticed afterwards is on the display panel between speedo and tachometer the gear (1-6) indicator was gone. Called my service advisor and I was the first recall they have performed so they messaged ford and was told that after the recall it will not appear again until you press the +- button again. I pushed it and it showed up. After starting up later it showed up so I guess once you press the +- it stays on there. Also it seems to be shifting easier than before. I have only had the truck for just under 5000 and it use to lurch into 2nd gear and now it's smooth. That's all I've noticed so far.
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Ok I had the recall done this morning on my 2012 f350kr with 32500 miles on it. First thing I noticed afterwards is on the display panel between speedo and tachometer the gear (1-6) indicator was gone. Called my service advisor and I was the first recall they have performed so they messaged ford and was told that after the recall it will not appear again until you press the +- button again. I pushed it and it showed up. After starting up later it showed up so I guess once you press the +- it stays on there. Also it seems to be shifting easier than before. I have only had the truck for just under 5000 and it use to lurch into 2nd gear and now it's smooth. That's all I've noticed so far.