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Pulleys and Pitman 66 F100 resto need

Well under way on this one with 352 OEM. Adding AC and Pwr Steering. Can't find a 2 grove pulley to mount on to the existing single groove pulley/harmonic balancer for this engine. Nor can I find the Pitman arm that would normally go with a 72 F100 with PS. Needing this to install on the Ford/Saginaw unit I replaced the old manual steering box with. Anyone have a source or idea?? Tks.
 
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Well under way on this one with 352 OEM. Adding AC and Pwr Steering. Can't find a 2 grove pulley to mount on to the existing single groove pulley/harmonic balancer for this engine.

Nor can I find the Pitman Arm that would normally go with a 72 F100 with PS. Needing this to install on the Ford/Saginaw unit I replaced the old manual steering box with.

Anyone have a source?
C1AZ-6A312-C .. Double Sheave Accessory Outer Pulley-bolts to harmonic balancer / 5 61/64" outer diameter - 6 39/64" inner diameter / 2" thick / Obsolete

1961/67 Galaxie/LTD 352/390 / 1965/67 F100/350 352.

NOS PARTS LTD in Waxahachie TX has ONE = 972-937-2201.
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D2TZ-3590-B .. Ford/Saginaw P/S Pitman Arm / Marked: D2TA-3590-BA / Obsolete

1971 F100/250 from serial number M00,001 / 1972 F100/250 / 1973/79 F100 2WD / 1973/79 F250 2WD Regular & Super Cabs under 8,100 lbs. GVW / 1975/79 F150 2WD

NOS PARTS LTD has ONE.
 
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Thanks so much for that reply. I have been messing around and calling for 3 days looking for those items. Will check out those leads this morning. Not sure how you knew that but, GREAT.
 
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Curious; will there be an issue w/ matching crankshaft pulley with the water pump pulley as far as alignment goes? Recently found when I swapped to 3 sheave pulley the belt alignment was slightly off oh so slightly placing a strain on the belt and bracket; also, clearance between pulleys extremely close?? Replaced cam and lifters and decided to deal with the pulleys and found I did not have a match set; found seller on ebay and emailed the P#'s of both pulley and he confirmed the pulleys were not matched and provided a couple options; I ended up replacing the crank pulley that matched the water pump pulley which added yet another spare pulley to my collection, but oh what a difference. Perhaps more knowledgeable member can advise????
 
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Thanks. Fortunately, the existing path of Crank/balancer to ALT to water pump is not disturbed. We are adding on a 2-3 sheave bolt on unit to the harmonic balancer to pick up the newly added AC compressor and Pwr Steering pump. I the alignment part should be OK, assuming I get the proper pulley add-on. Number Dummy sent me in a good direction this morning and the guy at NOS is looking in his inventory to verify he has the suggested parts. Fingers crossed.
 
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Originally Posted by daveengelson
Curious; will there be an issue w/ matching crankshaft pulley with the water pump pulley as far as alignment goes? Recently found when I swapped to 3 sheave pulley the belt alignment was slightly off oh so slightly placing a strain on the belt and bracket; also, clearance between pulleys extremely close??

Replaced cam and lifters and decided to deal with the pulleys and found I did not have a match set; found seller on ebay and emailed the P#'s of both pulley and he confirmed the pulleys were not matched and provided a couple options; I ended up replacing the crank pulley that matched the water pump pulley which added yet another spare pulley to my collection.
Where did you get the Ford part numbers since they're not marked on parts after 1956?The only numbers marked on parts after 1956 are ID or casting numbers.

What ebay seller (or FTE member) has the apropos FoMoCo Master Cross Reference Catalog to cross ID numbers over to Ford part numbers? Casting numbers cannot be cross referenced.

C3AZ-6312-E harmonic balancer contains a single sheave pulley, It's the SAME: 1960/67 352/390 Passenger Cars, 1965/67 F100/350 352.

There is only one double sheave outer accessory crank pulley listed for these vehicles: C1AZ-6A312-C

The OP may also need, depending on the belt routing, the double sheave water pump pulley that matches these parts: C7AZ-8509-B (replaced C4SZ-8509-A) 6 13/64" diameter.
 
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Provided by Number Dummy. Apparently has similar application to Galaxy from same year model w/352.
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Where did you get the Ford part numbers since they're not marked on parts after 1956?The only numbers marked on parts after 1956 are ID or casting numbers.

What ebay seller (or FTE member) has the FoMoCo Master Cross Reference Catalog to cross ID numbers over to Ford part numbers? Casting numbers cannot be cross referenced.

C3AZ-6312-E harmonic balancer contains a single sheave pulley, It's the SAME: 1960/67 352/390 Passenger Cars, 1965/67 F100/350 352.

There is only one double sheave outer accessory crank pulley listed for these vehicles: C1AZ-6A312-C

The OP may also need, depending on the belt routing, the double sheave water pump pulley that matches these parts: C7AZ-8509-B (replaced C4SZ-8509-A) 6 13/64" diameter.
Bill, then I must have misspoke and the numbers stamped on my water and crankshaft pulleys are 'casting' numbers; ex. C4SZ-8509-A, which you referred to in this post??? Perhaps the seller was familiar with which casting numbers are a match for a particular family engine???? Posting couple links to ebay as example, neither of which was the seller I purchased the pulley from.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DOAE-6312-C-Ford-352-390-427-428-FE-3-groove-crank-pulley-/200968364046?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ecaa5e00e&vxp=mtr#ht_162wt_1110
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Crankshaft-Crank-Pulley-Ford-Ranger-Pickup-Truck-6-cylinder-/251035378742?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a72dfe436&vxp=mtr#ht_2696wt_1163
 
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The bolt pattern for this application is a 3-holer.
 
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Originally Posted by SATpilot
The bolt pattern for this application is a 3-holer.
Posted the links as examples showing pulley with " casting #'s; here's a couple w/ 3 bolt pattern?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-FE-THREE-GROOVE-CRANKSHAFT-PULLEY-C5AE-D-352-390-406-410-427-428-/271288170327?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f2a08f757&vxp=mtr#ht_53wt_1110
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-1969-68-69-Ford-Mustang-390-428-Crank-Pulley-CRANKSHAFT-Pulley-C8AE-6312-B-/300720935214?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item46045d512e&vxp=mtr#ht_679wt_872
 
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Originally Posted by daveengelson
If these were casting numbers, people would be SOL as there's no way to cross them to Ford part numbers.

1960/67: Use with C3AZ-6312-E 3 hole harmonic balancer:

Marked with ID number: C5AE-D = Ford Part number: C4SZ-6A312-B .. Triple Sheave Crankshaft Outer Accessory Pulley

1964/67 Ford/Merc Passenger Cars 352/390/410/428.
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1968/72: Use with D5TZ-6316-D (replaced D2TZ-6316-A & C8AZ-6316-A) 3 hole harmonic balancer:

Marked with ID number: C8AE-6312-B = Ford part number: C8AZ-6A312-B .. Triple Sheave Crankshaft Outer Accessory Pulley.

1968/72 F100/350 360/390 / 1968/71 390 Passenger Cars.
 
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Bill, then I must have misspoke and the numbers stamped on my water and crankshaft pulleys are 'ID engineering' numbers; ex. C4SZ-8509-A, This is a part number, has a Z at the end of the prefix which you referred to in this post???

Perhaps the seller was familiar with which casting numbers are a match for a particular family engine???? Posting couple links to ebay as example, neither of which was the seller I purchased the pulley from.

Doae 6312 C Ford 352 390 427 428 FE 3 Groove Crank Pulley | eBay
Another clueless ebay seller! Took a bit of time to find this, because it's NOT for an FE engine!

Marked with ID number D0AE-6312-C or D0OE-6312-C = Ford part number: D0OZ-6A312-B (replaced D0AZ-6A312-C) .. Triple Sheave Crank Outer Accessory Pulley

1969/72 F100 302 / 1970/77 Passenger Car 302 (except 1970 Boss) / 1970/74 Passenger Car 351C 2V/4V (except C/J) / 1970/72 Passenger Car 351W

The ONLY numbers found on harmonic balancers and pulleys are ID engineering related.
 
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The 65 w/ the 68 302 had this combo water and crankshaft pulley before I swapped the crankshaft pulley???

D1AE-8509-AA
D5ZE 6312
 
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The 65 w/ the 68 302 had this combo water and crankshaft pulley before I swapped the crankshaft pulley???

D1AE-8509-AA // D5ZE 6312-AA or BA
ID number: D5ZE-6312-AA or BA = Ford part number: D5ZZ-6A312-A .. Triple Sheave Crank Outer Accessory Pulley

1975/78 Mustang II 302 / 1978/81 Fairmont/Zephyr 302 / 1979 Mustang/Capri 302 / 1980/81 Granada/Thunderbird/Cougar 302.
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ID number: D1AE-8509-AA = Ford part number: C9OZ-8509-C .. Single Sheave Waterpump Pulley

Misc 1969/79 302/351C/351M/351W/400 Passenger Cars / 1969/79 F100/150 302 / 1977/79 F100/350 & 1978/79 Bronco 351M/400
 
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Imagine info not much, if any, help to SATpilot's original question ; having said that, 'hijacking' the thread is because I misspoke and used the term P# rather than I.D. #the, the 3 sheave crank pulley (D5ZE-6312-AA) was not a match for water pump pulley (D1AE-8509-AA)??? Purchased the 3 sheave crankshaft pulley ( D0AE/D0OE 6312), eliminated belt alignment issues and/or size dia. of the pulleys. ????
 


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