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Old 04-04-2013, 07:04 PM
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Question Anyone miss their diesel?

Sorry to bore anyone with what has probably been asked already. I currently have a 7.3 and have been watching the used 2011 prices ... buying another diesel is still way out of my price range but the used gassers are looking really close to my numbers.

I've read a bunch of impressions on the new 6.2 and seen a few towing videos ... curious if anyone has gone from a diesel (or even a 7.3) to the new gas truck and hasn't looked back?

I tow a 10k 5er and my 7.3 will go as fast as I (generally) want to, but I keep it around 65mph for mileage. I've considered buying another truck to get something quieter, more comfortable, 4x4, long bed ... and wish I had 6 speeds on the steep backroad mountain climbs up to campgrounds where the 4R100 has got some gear gaps.

We used to drive the truck 15k a year or more but now we have 3 vehicles and it goes 6k. Short trips around town, and 3k/yr towing the camper. I've thought the 4.30 gears would be best but it seems folks with the 3.73 are happy too?

Anyone been in my boat?
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Had an 06 LBZ Duramax before getting a 2011 6.2 SD and although I loved it... the mileage and the low end tq it made, I don't miss it one bit.

I don't miss 2.5 gallon oil changes every 5k, fuel filters, aux fuel filters, EGR valves that stick, fuel that runs .50/gal more than regular, $750 turbo vane position sensors and on and on.

I just got a 2013 6.2 and like the truck better than the 11 I had. Now it seems like you buy the diesel for raw power only because they don't have the huge mpg advantage that they did 4-5 years ago and they're more expensive to maintain than before.
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Here's a good read on the subject:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/12...-to-6-2-a.html
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Old 04-05-2013, 07:29 AM
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Had an 06 LBZ Duramax before getting a 2011 6.2 SD and although I loved it... the mileage and the low end tq it made, I don't miss it one bit.

I don't miss 2.5 gallon oil changes every 5k, fuel filters, aux fuel filters, EGR valves that stick, fuel that runs .50/gal more than regular, $750 turbo vane position sensors and on and on.

I just got a 2013 6.2 and like the truck better than the 11 I had. Now it seems like you buy the diesel for raw power only because they don't have the huge mpg advantage that they did 4-5 years ago and they're more expensive to maintain than before.
My 7.3 is fairly simple to take care of, but you're echoing to me what I've been thinking I want to avoid - all the extra maint items of the newer diesels. And I agree with you - nowadays buying diesel is to get at the extra power and if you don't mind the extra cost of buying, maint, etc.

For my 6k/yr the gasser is starting to look real good. I'm curious if I end up with a 3.73 truck how much it would cost to go up to 4.30 if needed...

And thank you Sammy, that was a good thread to read.

I know there's more folks out there who want to convince me to make the switch
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If you were comparing a new 6.7 Diesel with the 6.2 Gas, I'd be tempted to say that you would miss that huge power of the new 6.7... From a 7.3 to the 6.2? I think you'd be very happy.
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I had an 05 Duramax 100k, then an 08 F250 6.4L 125k, and traded the 6.4 on my new 2011 F250 6.2 w/ 3.73s that now has 20k.

Stock for stock, all 3 of mine got the exact same mileage towing +/- 10%........I get about 8.5-9mpg towing 10,000 lb high profile camper trailer with a mix of 65-70mph towing and hills. Stock for stock, the diesels had a bit more torque, and towing was effortless. BUT, both of mine had issues........the Duramax blew a turbo while on family vacation, towing the trailer. That was fun, NOT. ........the 6.4 towed nicely, but with DPF intact was always a dog when it was in REGEN mode, then the DPF took a dump (first at 70k before I got it, then again at 125k, then lost radiator at 126k) and I sold it because I was tired of the costly repairs. 6.4 did have the towing hesitation/white smoke issue during damp weather that many people complain of, which is downright scary and dangerous, and to this date I still don't know if they've figured out what the issue was. Both diesels were maintenance hogs, with 15qt oil changes, fuel filters every-other oil change, etc etc.

The 6.2L gas motor is great. No it doesn't have the low end torque of a diesel, but it's got more than enough power to yank my trailer up to speed perfectly fine when I tow with it, the 6 speed trans is great overall and it can hold speed on hills under load without issue, +/- shift button is great for towing, and the other 99% of the time when it's doing duty as my daily driver, you just hit the key and go, no REGEN, no UREA, no BS. I've had many people compliment me on how nice it drives.

In a perfect world, I'd have a 6.2L with a 4:30 axle........but I didn't have time to order a truck, so I took my 3.73 off of a lot in a neighboring state. I have a 5-Star tuner on it, which really wakes the truck up.

I would say:
6.2 + 4.30 + 5-Star Tuner = AWESOME
6.2 + 3.73 + 5-Star Tuner = GREAT

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You're welcome.

I drove a 6.2 and liked it, but being a diesel guy myself I know what going thru somewhat. I think eventually I'd get used to all the shifting, the only downfall is the Mpg's. But again, there's the cost of operation factor, that's not even a comparison.
For 10k lbs of towing 3/yr, I wouldn't even consider the diesel
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I agree....except for the comment about mpg. My towing mpg was identical between the 3 trucks, somewhere between 8 and 9mpg. Empty, my gas truck averages around town/mix almost exactly what the diesels did, and on the hwy, I can squeak 16-17 if I'm careful, which is on-par with the 6.4 DPF.....I think the only way you'll get better mpg with a newer diesel is without the DPF/etc.

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I drove a 6.2 and liked it, but being a diesel guy myself I know what going thru somewhat. I think eventually I'd get used to all the shifting, the only downfall is the Mpg's. But again, there's the cost of operation factor, that's not even a comparison.
For 10k lbs of towing 3/yr, I wouldn't even consider the diesel
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I agree....except for the comment about mpg. My towing mpg was identical between the 3 trucks, somewhere between 8 and 9mpg. Empty, my gas truck averages around town/mix almost exactly what the diesels did, and on the hwy, I can squeak 16-17 if I'm careful, which is on-par with the 6.4 DPF.....I think the only way you'll get better mpg with a newer diesel is without the DPF/etc.

Are the 6.4's that bad, mpg wise? I've driven and towed with one and didn't pay much attention to it. I do know towing the identical trailer in the same conditions, my truck(6.0) got 4-5mpg more versus the 6.2
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Yes, my 6.4L got 8-9 towing (my trailer/my driving style), 10-11mpg plowing and idling around town all winter, 12-14 empty/mix city driving, and 16-17 open highway (average). These are all on-par with my 6.2L. My 6.4 had been dealership owned it's entire life, was used as a car hauler and had 100k on it when I bought it. When I got it, with 100k of all highway miles (avg speed was like 54mph, truck had stupid low hours on it, 1700 I think) , hauling 50% an empty car hauler (open) and 50% with a loaded car hauler, it showed 13.5mpg (if I remember correctly) on the MPG readout, which I promptly re-set.
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Is this mileage on the 6.2 after the Tuner? The 6.2 I drove got about 10mpg city.
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Tuner has not made a difference in MPG for me, I've run both the Premium 93 Tow, and currently the 87 tow, and MPG doesn't seem much difference, but my foot is always in it, LOL
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I am really considering the 6.2L more and more. I love my 6.4L, but have no intentions of running it past 80-100k. I am at 52k now, and looking at new tires, shocks, etc. I basically drive 25k per year now - welcomed over the past 20 years of 60-65k driving I used to do. I cant see an $8000 mill to tow my 10k brick 12X a year. Im having a hard time, however, grasping the 14mpg of the 6.2L. Id like to test drive one for a day and see what mikeage i can get, but no dealers near have such animal. They all say the diesels are the big sellers. Sooner or later I'll find one.
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The other day I moved my Bobcat and trailer and TBH, there was no noticeable lag with respect for getting to speed. The new ones have a completely different engine report, but not louder, more like a tuned motor sound. Since Ford has put the six speeds in, that extra gear is an equalizer to my 07 f350 6.0 liter. The 07 was notorious (pig) on the initial start from a stop till the turbo could spool up a bit, whereas none of that is going on with the 6.2.

The 13 and the 07 both were w/o the stock exhaust, which maybe a factor, but that should have equaled each other out, you would think. My unscientific mpg analysis puts the gas model slightly less in town ( at the very most 1 mile less non-towing) and damn near the same highway but the new one has a slightly taller tire on it.

Not sure if the new exhaust is helping with the fuel consumption, because I never had a good baseline to compare it to, but with that sound it's not coming off anyway....
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