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Old 03-23-2012, 12:30 AM
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Yup. I don't want to hijack but I can post pics when I get them back if your interested to see them.
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:01 AM
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Yup. I don't want to hijack but I can post pics when I get them back if your interested to see them.
Ya that would be good. It's always nice to have a thread with lots of Info in it for the next person.
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:55 PM
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Well, I guess I'll start with the hardware since I probably won't have the hubs back until tomorrow. Keep in mind that this is for my '75 and I'm sticking with 1/2" studs.

Here are the bolts that I will be using. McMaster-Carr


<a href="http://s742.photobucket.com/albums/xx65/Fordworth/Sterling%20Rear%20Axle%20Swap/?action=view&amp;current=2012-03-22_23-30-16_927.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx65/Fordworth/Sterling%20Rear%20Axle%20Swap/2012-03-22_23-30-16_927.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>


And these are the lock washers that I will use in conjunction with green Loctite. These are excellent for high vibration applications and don't have the tendancy to break or flatten out and lose their effectiveness like split washers.

<a href="http://s742.photobucket.com/albums/xx65/Fordworth/Sterling%20Rear%20Axle%20Swap/?action=view&amp;current=2012-03-22_23-31-43_57.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx65/Fordworth/Sterling%20Rear%20Axle%20Swap/2012-03-22_23-31-43_57.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

They get installed in pairs that mate with each other.


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Here you can see the why they are called wedge locks. Both washers are the same but the face opposite directions. The smaller teeth go toward the head of the bolt and the work piece. The larger wedges mate in the middle and lock against each other.

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Old 03-25-2012, 10:44 PM
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This is for information only. I make no guaruntees about safety or reliability in regard to the information in this post. What you do with it is your own responsibility.

I got my hubs back this evening. Here's the chart the machinist made for plotting the holes. The numbers circled in red are the important ones.

<a href="http://s742.photobucket.com/albums/xx65/Fordworth/Sterling%20Rear%20Axle%20Swap/?action=view&amp;current=2012-03-25_17-51-09_455.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx65/Fordworth/Sterling%20Rear%20Axle%20Swap/2012-03-25_17-51-09_455.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>


Rear view.


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Spot faced, drilled and tapped.


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Since the rotors that came with the axle were in good shape I elongated the holes so they would work with the new pattern. When they need to be replaced I'll use the van ones.

<a href="http://s742.photobucket.com/albums/xx65/Fordworth/Sterling%20Rear%20Axle%20Swap/?action=view&amp;current=2012-03-25_17-57-19_39.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx65/Fordworth/Sterling%20Rear%20Axle%20Swap/2012-03-25_17-57-19_39.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

I cleaned the holes and the bolts in preperation for the Loctite. Here they are with the bolts installed and ready to go.

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Old 03-26-2012, 07:26 AM
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Is there any concern about the strength of the hubs with the bolts installed in an area of the hub that isn't reinforced? Look at the extra thickness of the hub where the stock studs would have been mounted. It also seems to me that the presence of now 16 holes in that hub instead of 8 would make the unit as a whole substantially weaker. Maybe it is over engineered, but I would tend to err on the side of caution on something as important as this. Also, are you concerned about running the rotor with elongated holes like that? I would thing that the tendency would be for it to slip a little and wear on the studs.

Are the new hubs designed to be hub centric or lug centric? How is the fitment of the hub to an old 8 x 6.5 spaced rim?

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to rain on anybody's parade, I would love to do this on my truck some day too. I just want to make sure that this type of project is being given the careful consideration that it is due. If something like this should fail, it could be disastrous for more than just the occupants of the vehicle. It's hard to overstate the pressures being put on these types of equipment in a fully loaded truck in the case of a panic stop or evasive maneuver of some sort. I just don't want to see anyone get hurt or sued.
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Old 03-26-2012, 11:11 AM
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Is there any concern about the strength of the hubs with the bolts installed in an area of the hub that isn't reinforced? Look at the extra thickness of the hub where the stock studs would have been mounted. It also seems to me that the presence of now 16 holes in that hub instead of 8 would make the unit as a whole substantially weaker. Maybe it is over engineered, but I would tend to err on the side of caution on something as important as this. Also, are you concerned about running the rotor with elongated holes like that? I would thing that the tendency would be for it to slip a little and wear on the studs.

Are the new hubs designed to be hub centric or lug centric? How is the fitment of the hub to an old 8 x 6.5 spaced rim?

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to rain on anybody's parade, I would love to do this on my truck some day too. I just want to make sure that this type of project is being given the careful consideration that it is due. If something like this should fail, it could be disastrous for more than just the occupants of the vehicle. It's hard to overstate the pressures being put on these types of equipment in a fully loaded truck in the case of a panic stop or evasive maneuver of some sort. I just don't want to see anyone get hurt or sued.

That flange is over 1/2" thick. I don't see it failing. And as far as the rotor being slotted, it centers over the hub and once it's bolted to the wheel there will be no movement. The wear on the studs will be no different than on a super duty stud. I do have to ask, I have never seen 1/2 studs on a 8 lug. And I might have missed it, why not use the 9/16 stud? What wheels are you using?
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Old 03-26-2012, 11:20 AM
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All valid points. The hubs do appear to be over engineered and even the thin part is a touch over 1/2" thick. Keep in mind that redrilling hubs is a common practice that has been going on as long as folks have been modifying cars. In fact many aftermarket products have multiple patterns to accommodate different applications. Also threading bolts into the flange instead of pressing in knurled studs doesn't stress it and minimizes the amount of material removed.

As far as the rotors go, I only removed about 1/16" of material from each hole. The rotors are hub centric and in stock form the studs are a 14mm while the holes measure over 16mm. The way it is now is no different.

The hub fits fine in a the older style wheel becase the center hole is bigger and won't interfere with the pilot surface of the hub. Aftermarket wheels for Superdutys are lug centric too, the hub doesn't care which style is bolted to it.

All that said, this is for information only. I'm not an engineer and I'm not making any guarantees or claims aboout safety.
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I do have to ask, I have never seen 1/2 studs on a 8 lug. And I might have missed it, why not use the 9/16 stud? What wheels are you using?
1/2" was pretty standard back then and I want to keep both ends of the truck the same. I think my '73 dually with a D70 has 9/16" though. The wheels are aftermarket ones on the truck in my sig.
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1/2" was pretty standard back then and I want to keep both ends of the truck the same. I think my '73 dually with a D70 has 9/16" though. The wheels are aftermarket ones on the truck in my sig.
Learn something everyday huh! Never knew they were 1/2" Good luck with your swap and thanks for the pics.
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It's in. Changing the shock mounts, the old ones will be used. I ground down the SD shock mounts. Parking brake needs to be moved forward. On the rear brake line since I haven't read out it discussed neededs to be flipped so it can be used on the SD axle. Also the SD axle has a different spring perch than the obs. You will gain 1" when the axle goes in so I will be getting a 3" block instead of the factory 4" one. On to the pics.

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Were you able to source custom studs to do this in the future? I am interested in a set.

What were your original oversize studs off?



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Machined to fit the obs wheels
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Wheels fit and ran 4 lugs onto it.
Do you remember how much you had to take off for this? I will be doing the hubs like Fordworth did so I can run the 10.5 in my '74 crew cab. I have the factory Alcoa wheels like in the pic above though so I'm guessing a little turn down of the OD is in order.

I'm currently looking for suitable bolts in 9/16 size but hope to have this wrapped up in a few weeks.
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Thanks. Here's the info from that post for others looking. If you want to see the exact post it's the last one on page 10 of that thread

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I mis-stated earlier that Ford 99-04 and 1997 and older use the same wheel pilot diameter, this is wrong.
Machining is necessary to fit an OEM wheel to the SD mounting hub.

8 on 6.5 Ford wheels have a 4.88" pilot. And likely a 4.875"(Exact 4-7/8") Hub diameter.
1999-2004 SD pilot diameters are 125.1 MM(4.925)Wheel; 124.97(4.920)Hub

The new chased threads look very good on those studs considering that most material used for rolled fasteners is a little finicky when thread chasing.
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Last post in that link shows a new stud you (Got4wd) ended up having made for the things. Can I get the cost on the studs please.
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