Do USA Exhaust kits fit our trucks
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G'day Kramer,
There is another way to look at this Turbo/Exhaust/EGTs.
I done a lot of research into exactly what your proposing to do and found the following.
A lot of the state side fellas take the practical view that it is not the 3" OEM piping that is the problem causing high EGTs under load, it is the staggered & baffled OEM Muffler box. Simply straight piping it (I believe you've done that) or lopping out the staggered OEM box and fitting in a straight through muffler (they call it the BTM Mod (Big Truck Muffler)) is sufficient enough of a fix. And a hell of a lot less expense and stuffin' around.
The point is that the Turbine outlet is 2 1/2" and the increase in the bore of the OEM downpipe is more than enough to get the gasses away. It's when it hits the staggered and baffled box that the build up commences. Add that to the extra length of the tail pipe and those addition frictional forces only add to the problem.
My understanding is that a 'Normally Aspirated' (non turbo) diesel won't operate efficiently without a muffler to supply the back pressure needed for low down torque/grunt. However it is this action of squeezing (if you like) of the exhaust gasses out of the turbo outlet that supplies the back pressure on turbo diesels.
So unless you want to drag race ya 7.3, then big bore piping is not going to give a lot in my view.
I tracked down the closest straight through muffler to the BTM they use in states I could find here in Aust, lopped out the OEM box and ditched the tail pipe and dumped it out just in front of the rear tyre
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My GCM is almost never less than 7T and I pull in all terrain and haven't had a EGT problem at all.
Just another take on this for ya mate.
Cheers,
Reg
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Aussie spec Brazilian built 2005 (US 2003) F-250 Superduty 4x4 7.3Ltr Powerstroke: PHP FU2 6 Pos’n Chip, 6 x ISSPRO Promax Guages, AIS Intake, Zoodad, Cowl Hood, AIH Delete, DIY CCV, BTM muffler, MBRP 4” Black Tip, RiffRaff FRx,HPx,OCR, JWVB, ARB Air Lockers Front & Rear, V10 Tranny cooler in series with Stock Tranny cooler, Deep Tranny Pan, ARB Bull Bar, Edge Evo (for PIDs & Codes only), Long Range Fuel Tank, VMS in Dash GPS Street & Off Road Nav, Toyo OPAT AT 305 70R 16”on 10” Rims, Moog Greasable Ball Joints, Tough Dog Steering Stabiliser, HD Suspension for GVWR (GVM) Upgrade to 5,000Kg.
There is another way to look at this Turbo/Exhaust/EGTs.
I done a lot of research into exactly what your proposing to do and found the following.
A lot of the state side fellas take the practical view that it is not the 3" OEM piping that is the problem causing high EGTs under load, it is the staggered & baffled OEM Muffler box. Simply straight piping it (I believe you've done that) or lopping out the staggered OEM box and fitting in a straight through muffler (they call it the BTM Mod (Big Truck Muffler)) is sufficient enough of a fix. And a hell of a lot less expense and stuffin' around.
The point is that the Turbine outlet is 2 1/2" and the increase in the bore of the OEM downpipe is more than enough to get the gasses away. It's when it hits the staggered and baffled box that the build up commences. Add that to the extra length of the tail pipe and those addition frictional forces only add to the problem.
My understanding is that a 'Normally Aspirated' (non turbo) diesel won't operate efficiently without a muffler to supply the back pressure needed for low down torque/grunt. However it is this action of squeezing (if you like) of the exhaust gasses out of the turbo outlet that supplies the back pressure on turbo diesels.
So unless you want to drag race ya 7.3, then big bore piping is not going to give a lot in my view.
I tracked down the closest straight through muffler to the BTM they use in states I could find here in Aust, lopped out the OEM box and ditched the tail pipe and dumped it out just in front of the rear tyre
.My GCM is almost never less than 7T and I pull in all terrain and haven't had a EGT problem at all.
Just another take on this for ya mate.
Cheers,
Reg
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Aussie spec Brazilian built 2005 (US 2003) F-250 Superduty 4x4 7.3Ltr Powerstroke: PHP FU2 6 Pos’n Chip, 6 x ISSPRO Promax Guages, AIS Intake, Zoodad, Cowl Hood, AIH Delete, DIY CCV, BTM muffler, MBRP 4” Black Tip, RiffRaff FRx,HPx,OCR, JWVB, ARB Air Lockers Front & Rear, V10 Tranny cooler in series with Stock Tranny cooler, Deep Tranny Pan, ARB Bull Bar, Edge Evo (for PIDs & Codes only), Long Range Fuel Tank, VMS in Dash GPS Street & Off Road Nav, Toyo OPAT AT 305 70R 16”on 10” Rims, Moog Greasable Ball Joints, Tough Dog Steering Stabiliser, HD Suspension for GVWR (GVM) Upgrade to 5,000Kg.
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Thanks for the explanation Reg. If only I could visit SA and get it done as well. Maybe one day. The reason I would like a GVM increase is the same as yours, long range tank, assorted gear = an overloaded vehicle.
It is a small world. Imbil is a great place. I used to live at Dagun when I was young, but now I am near Caloundra.
Thanks for the heads up about the Bushtracker forum, I will check it out to see what other Ftruck owners have done.
Thanks
Jason
It is a small world. Imbil is a great place. I used to live at Dagun when I was young, but now I am near Caloundra.
Thanks for the heads up about the Bushtracker forum, I will check it out to see what other Ftruck owners have done.
Thanks
Jason
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06-27-2011, 04:23 PM
The thing is that there is only two notable differences between an F250 and a Single Rear Wheel (SRW) drive F350.
1. The F350 has a 4" block under the rear spring set as opposed to the 2" block under the F250. The actual spring sets are the same.
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F250
F350 (SRW)
</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 88pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl63 width=117><TABLE style="WIDTH: 381pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=508><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 88pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 4278" width=117><COL style="WIDTH: 83pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 4059" width=111><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" span=2 width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 66pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 3218" width=88><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 61.5pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=82><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 61.5pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl68 height=82 width=64>GCM</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 88pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl68 width=117>Front Springs (Max)</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 83pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl68 width=111>Rear Springs (Max)</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl68 width=64>Front Axle Rating</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl68 width=64>Rear Axle Rating</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 66pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl68 width=88>Brakes-Front/Rear</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 25.5pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=34><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 25.5pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 height=34 width=64>9,072kg</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 88pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=117>4,400lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 83pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=111>6,084lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=64>5,200lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=64>6,830lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 66pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=88>13.03"/12.83"</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 25.5pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=34><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 25.5pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl65 height=34 width=64></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 88pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=117></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 83pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=111></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=64></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=64></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 66pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=88></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>9,072kg</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8">5,200lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl67>6,830lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8">5,200lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8">6,830lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8">13.03"/12.83"</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8"></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8"></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8"></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8"></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 83pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl63 width=111></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl63 width=64></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl63 width=64></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 66pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl63 width=88></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
1. The F350 has a 4" block under the rear spring set as opposed to the 2" block under the F250. The actual spring sets are the same.
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F250
F350 (SRW)
</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 88pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl63 width=117><TABLE style="WIDTH: 381pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=508><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 88pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 4278" width=117><COL style="WIDTH: 83pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 4059" width=111><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" span=2 width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 66pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 3218" width=88><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 61.5pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=82><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 61.5pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl68 height=82 width=64>GCM</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 88pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl68 width=117>Front Springs (Max)</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 83pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl68 width=111>Rear Springs (Max)</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl68 width=64>Front Axle Rating</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl68 width=64>Rear Axle Rating</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 66pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl68 width=88>Brakes-Front/Rear</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 25.5pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=34><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 25.5pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 height=34 width=64>9,072kg</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 88pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=117>4,400lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 83pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=111>6,084lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=64>5,200lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=64>6,830lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 66pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=88>13.03"/12.83"</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 25.5pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=34><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 25.5pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl65 height=34 width=64></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 88pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=117></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 83pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=111></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=64></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=64></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 66pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl66 width=88></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>9,072kg</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8">5,200lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl67>6,830lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8">5,200lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8">6,830lbs</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8">13.03"/12.83"</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8"></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8"></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8"></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8"></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 83pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl63 width=111></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl63 width=64></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl63 width=64></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 66pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" class=xl63 width=88></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
You can easily identify this by checking your front springs, 5200lb ones have the suffix "ADA".
I'll also add - the rating is a little obtuse, as the yanks do things a little different, their registration regulations are nowhere near as crazy as the ones in Aus, and the rating is only a "comfort" rating. i.e. the axle can take more, but you might be spending more time on the bump stops
The axle is actually rated up to 6000lbs, and if you order a set of Snow Plow front springs (I think they came on the camper package in the states as well) with suffix AFA the "comfort" rating goes upto 6000lbs too.
#19
06-27-2011, 11:38 PM
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Hi Adrian
At the moment I am doing some research on getting my GVM increased to 4495kg (9900lbs). At the moment my GVM is 4219kg (9292lbs). Now I know this in not much of an increase, but by staying below 4500kg (9900lbs), I keep a cheaper rego ($1050, or above 4500kg about $1800-2000) and anyone can drive it on a car licence.
My truck weighs 3660kg (8061lbs) empty because of a very solid and heavy steel tray with 5th wheel hitch.
So when I add 4 persons, associated gear, long range tank, etc, etc, I will easily be over 4219kg.
Just a couple of questions if I could.
Where on the front spring is the rating and is there any documentation that I could show a QLD Transport Engineer.
I have found a couple of engineers who may help, but they require documents stating the capacity of the original springs if they are rated higher than the listing in the owners handbook.
Many thanks for your time
Jason
At the moment I am doing some research on getting my GVM increased to 4495kg (9900lbs). At the moment my GVM is 4219kg (9292lbs). Now I know this in not much of an increase, but by staying below 4500kg (9900lbs), I keep a cheaper rego ($1050, or above 4500kg about $1800-2000) and anyone can drive it on a car licence.
My truck weighs 3660kg (8061lbs) empty because of a very solid and heavy steel tray with 5th wheel hitch.
So when I add 4 persons, associated gear, long range tank, etc, etc, I will easily be over 4219kg.
Just a couple of questions if I could.
Where on the front spring is the rating and is there any documentation that I could show a QLD Transport Engineer.
I have found a couple of engineers who may help, but they require documents stating the capacity of the original springs if they are rated higher than the listing in the owners handbook.
Many thanks for your time
Jason
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06-28-2011, 10:55 AM
Hi Adrian
At the moment I am doing some research on getting my GVM increased to 4495kg (9900lbs). At the moment my GVM is 4219kg (9292lbs). Now I know this in not much of an increase, but by staying below 4500kg (9900lbs), I keep a cheaper rego ($1050, or above 4500kg about $1800-2000) and anyone can drive it on a car licence.
My truck weighs 3660kg (8061lbs) empty because of a very solid and heavy steel tray with 5th wheel hitch.
So when I add 4 persons, associated gear, long range tank, etc, etc, I will easily be over 4219kg.
Just a couple of questions if I could.
Where on the front spring is the rating and is there any documentation that I could show a QLD Transport Engineer.
I have found a couple of engineers who may help, but they require documents stating the capacity of the original springs if they are rated higher than the listing in the owners handbook.
Many thanks for your time
Jason
At the moment I am doing some research on getting my GVM increased to 4495kg (9900lbs). At the moment my GVM is 4219kg (9292lbs). Now I know this in not much of an increase, but by staying below 4500kg (9900lbs), I keep a cheaper rego ($1050, or above 4500kg about $1800-2000) and anyone can drive it on a car licence.
My truck weighs 3660kg (8061lbs) empty because of a very solid and heavy steel tray with 5th wheel hitch.
So when I add 4 persons, associated gear, long range tank, etc, etc, I will easily be over 4219kg.
Just a couple of questions if I could.
Where on the front spring is the rating and is there any documentation that I could show a QLD Transport Engineer.
I have found a couple of engineers who may help, but they require documents stating the capacity of the original springs if they are rated higher than the listing in the owners handbook.
Many thanks for your time
Jason
There should be a sticker on the inside of the drivers door (I think - it could be the passenger door???) that has the numerical rating of the springs.
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G'day Adrian
Well this is getting interesting.
I have no such sticker on anydoors.
Is there any documentation from Ford describing the markings on springs and the subsequent ratings?
Also, is there any documents detailing Gross Vehicle Mass on an 03 F250 that I can show the Transport guys which indicates that the original springs are good enough for a higher GVM?
I just want to be able to state my case to the transport engineer that the vehicle is capable of a higher GVM either with original springs or with new upgraded springs or air bags.
Thanks for your help
Jason
Well this is getting interesting.
I have no such sticker on anydoors.
Is there any documentation from Ford describing the markings on springs and the subsequent ratings?
Also, is there any documents detailing Gross Vehicle Mass on an 03 F250 that I can show the Transport guys which indicates that the original springs are good enough for a higher GVM?
I just want to be able to state my case to the transport engineer that the vehicle is capable of a higher GVM either with original springs or with new upgraded springs or air bags.
Thanks for your help
Jason
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06-29-2011, 03:33 PM
Sure thing, you can get them off the same site I linked to with the Trailer guide, but under the body builders section.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas.../techspec.html
More specifically for your truck, you would want to be looking here:
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...essd_03abb.pdf
Note the 9900lb GVWR - thats a 4.5t GVM
I would be curious to know how you go.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas.../techspec.html
More specifically for your truck, you would want to be looking here:
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...essd_03abb.pdf
Note the 9900lb GVWR - thats a 4.5t GVM
I would be curious to know how you go.
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Hi again Adrian
I finally found the sticker you have been talking about. Can you believe that someone put an "STP" sticker over it on the drivers door. I just can't believe why someone would cover it up, but I carefully peeled it off to expose the Ford sticker.
It states Front load carrying capacity = 5250 lbs
Rear load carrying capacity = 6210 lbs
So how does this affect my GVM?
Thanks
I finally found the sticker you have been talking about. Can you believe that someone put an "STP" sticker over it on the drivers door. I just can't believe why someone would cover it up, but I carefully peeled it off to expose the Ford sticker.
It states Front load carrying capacity = 5250 lbs
Rear load carrying capacity = 6210 lbs
So how does this affect my GVM?
Thanks
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06-29-2011, 06:05 PM
It shouldn't, but both of those items, in conjunction with a copy of the US body builders guide stating that the same truck in the US had a GVM of 9900lbs should be enough for an engineer to sign off on them increasing the GVM on your vehicle to 9900lbs.
Those stickers should just prove to them that you don't need new springs/wheels/tires/axles etc. as they will be well within their limit at 9900lbs.
Those stickers should just prove to them that you don't need new springs/wheels/tires/axles etc. as they will be well within their limit at 9900lbs.
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Hi Adrian
I just thought I would keep you updated on my progress of getting my GVM increased.
Well, I drove 150km today to visit a vehicle engineer. He looked over my vehicle and at all the paperwork that I printed out about USA GVM's, etc.
He stated that the Queensland Transport Department does not allow him to increase the GVM on a vehicle in stock form as this is set by the manufacturer.
However, he said that if I fit airbags or heavier springs and have associated documentation showing increased spring capacity, then he can give me a mod plate showing a higher GVM.
So all I need to do now is decide if I want to upgrade my original springs or get some airbags.
Stay tuned.
I just thought I would keep you updated on my progress of getting my GVM increased.
Well, I drove 150km today to visit a vehicle engineer. He looked over my vehicle and at all the paperwork that I printed out about USA GVM's, etc.
He stated that the Queensland Transport Department does not allow him to increase the GVM on a vehicle in stock form as this is set by the manufacturer.
However, he said that if I fit airbags or heavier springs and have associated documentation showing increased spring capacity, then he can give me a mod plate showing a higher GVM.
So all I need to do now is decide if I want to upgrade my original springs or get some airbags.
Stay tuned.
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07-12-2011, 06:56 AM
Hi Adrian
I just thought I would keep you updated on my progress of getting my GVM increased.
Well, I drove 150km today to visit a vehicle engineer. He looked over my vehicle and at all the paperwork that I printed out about USA GVM's, etc.
He stated that the Queensland Transport Department does not allow him to increase the GVM on a vehicle in stock form as this is set by the manufacturer.
However, he said that if I fit airbags or heavier springs and have associated documentation showing increased spring capacity, then he can give me a mod plate showing a higher GVM.
So all I need to do now is decide if I want to upgrade my original springs or get some airbags.
Stay tuned.
I just thought I would keep you updated on my progress of getting my GVM increased.
Well, I drove 150km today to visit a vehicle engineer. He looked over my vehicle and at all the paperwork that I printed out about USA GVM's, etc.
He stated that the Queensland Transport Department does not allow him to increase the GVM on a vehicle in stock form as this is set by the manufacturer.
However, he said that if I fit airbags or heavier springs and have associated documentation showing increased spring capacity, then he can give me a mod plate showing a higher GVM.
So all I need to do now is decide if I want to upgrade my original springs or get some airbags.
Stay tuned.
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my f350 has a 5300kg GVM and weighs a hefty 4500kgs empty