a real econoline steering fix!
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2011 E350 Steering Complaint
I have a 2011 E350 passenger van with the 5.4L, 24k miles. I have a big family and use it for long trips and vacations. Overall, I really like the van but my biggest complaint is definitely the steering. It tends to wander a bit, especially at highway speeds. Requires allot of user input, and can get tiring during an all day trip having to concentrate so much. The front end it tight and aligned. When I saw this thread I was like, "whew, I'm not crazy!"
Assuming the front end it tight, aligned and the OEM shocks are in good order, will the stabilizer make that big of a difference on a newer van? If so, what is the best stabilizer kit to go with?
If I can solve this problem, I will look forward to taking this truck on long trips.
Thanks!
Assuming the front end it tight, aligned and the OEM shocks are in good order, will the stabilizer make that big of a difference on a newer van? If so, what is the best stabilizer kit to go with?
If I can solve this problem, I will look forward to taking this truck on long trips.
Thanks!
#243
The drag link>Pitman arm ball joint can be twisted axially and it not be a problem---its meant to do that. Any side-to-side slop would be a huge concern though. Replacing the drag link is pretty easy since it only requires a few hand tools, NAPA and a few other outfits have them new for about $80, the lower grade but still good enough for the most part.
With your anticipated loads and speeds its best to work all this out before hitting the road.
I ran it with and without the damper on the interstate and honestly cant tell any difference. Im also running 265's
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Tires are 225/75-16 Load range E. Ford reccomends 80psi read, 60 psi front. Not sure about the rear anti-sway bar. It would need to have come OEM.
My assessment is that the steering feels like it takes alot of steering wheel movement in order to steer the vehicle a little either to the left or right. Everything in my front end is tight, but is feels light a steering gearbox gearing ratio issue. In other words, alot of steering wheel movement to move the tires a little left or right as compared to a mini-van or standard car. The E350s ratio makes turning the wheel easy on such a big truck at slow speeds (or stopped), especially if it was carrying a heavy load, but the trade-off is the sense of wandering at higher speeds in a straight line.
I can see the stabilizer helping, but maybe not the main fix. Just my perception. I plan on giving it a try for sure.
I also thought going to bigger tires, like 245/75 -16s might help with straight line tracking as well. This size comes on E350s as well.
I appreciate all the help and comments. Thanks!
My assessment is that the steering feels like it takes alot of steering wheel movement in order to steer the vehicle a little either to the left or right. Everything in my front end is tight, but is feels light a steering gearbox gearing ratio issue. In other words, alot of steering wheel movement to move the tires a little left or right as compared to a mini-van or standard car. The E350s ratio makes turning the wheel easy on such a big truck at slow speeds (or stopped), especially if it was carrying a heavy load, but the trade-off is the sense of wandering at higher speeds in a straight line.
I can see the stabilizer helping, but maybe not the main fix. Just my perception. I plan on giving it a try for sure.
I also thought going to bigger tires, like 245/75 -16s might help with straight line tracking as well. This size comes on E350s as well.
I appreciate all the help and comments. Thanks!
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Moto it would seem what you're experiencing is a quirk of that gearbox, completely standard and nothing at all wrong with your van per se. The steering stabilizer might be a solution if nothing more than to "hold" your last steering wheel input, making you feel as though constant correction was no longer necessary. Ford has always had that sort of steering feel although in the later years its less pronounced. I also found it annoying and simply avoided Ford vans for a long long time.
The 245's will tend to wander on the road surface, essentially finding any slight depression or rut, pulling your van in that direction---an even larger tire would only exaggerate that effect. You seem to be aware of this already though.
Personally I'd highly recommend the rear sway bar if its not already equipped. If you'd like to explore the options there look for Hellwig or Roadmaster Suspension parts, Hellwig being the (slightly) less alternative. (Roadmaster has something called "active suspension" as well as traditional sway bars, both front and rear.)
Speaking of sway bars keep an eye on the front and replace any rubber or urethane bushings if they become worn and don't keep it tight to the suspension. Check the link bolts too if so equipped.
Your call on going the expense for the stabilizer!
The 245's will tend to wander on the road surface, essentially finding any slight depression or rut, pulling your van in that direction---an even larger tire would only exaggerate that effect. You seem to be aware of this already though.
Personally I'd highly recommend the rear sway bar if its not already equipped. If you'd like to explore the options there look for Hellwig or Roadmaster Suspension parts, Hellwig being the (slightly) less alternative. (Roadmaster has something called "active suspension" as well as traditional sway bars, both front and rear.)
Speaking of sway bars keep an eye on the front and replace any rubber or urethane bushings if they become worn and don't keep it tight to the suspension. Check the link bolts too if so equipped.
Your call on going the expense for the stabilizer!
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I got that part from rockauto.com and then got under the van to install it.
Hey ho, it's not the right one
That part is the upper steering shaft. I need the lower steering shaft with the U-joint and rubber joint.
Anybody have a part number for the lower one?
Hey ho, it's not the right one
That part is the upper steering shaft. I need the lower steering shaft with the U-joint and rubber joint.
Anybody have a part number for the lower one?
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will a Gabriel stabilizer work as good as Monroe?
When I started searching online for the stabilizer brackets, I found this and am wondering if it will work as good as the Monroe. For what it's worth, the kits is about $30 including brackets. I thought for this price, I could throw out the stabilizer bar and buy the Monroe and still be ahead of the game.
Any thoughts or comments?
I called Les Scwhab tires and they wanted about $130 including the install labor. Talk about inflated prices for a $30 part. Their labor charge is only $18.
Any thoughts or comments?
I called Les Scwhab tires and they wanted about $130 including the install labor. Talk about inflated prices for a $30 part. Their labor charge is only $18.
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The somewhat critical bracket that mounts to the frame is different than the one I ordered through ford. The four bolt backing plate looks like it is designed to overlay the frame on the outside, associated bracket on inside. I figure you would then drill through the frame. For $100 more it would be worth it to me to get the correct ford bracket that lined up with pre-existing holes in my chassis. I know it is in the right horizontal plane as the L shape cradles the frame and the holes lined up. Amazing difference in the elimination of drift at speed. Fairly easy do it yourself task with correct parts.
Good luck
Good luck
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Gabriel brackets
The somewhat critical bracket that mounts to the frame is different than the one I ordered through ford. The four bolt backing plate looks like it is designed to overlay the frame on the outside, associated bracket on inside. I figure you would then drill through the frame. For $100 more it would be worth it to me to get the correct ford bracket that lined up with pre-existing holes in my chassis. I know it is in the right horizontal plane as the L shape cradles the frame and the holes lined up. Amazing difference in the elimination of drift at speed. Fairly easy do it yourself task with correct parts.
Good luck
Good luck