LPO Pressure Low at Idle Long Crank
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LPO Pressure Low at Idle Long Crank
I have a 2004 late build 02/04 6.0 ~175K miles, and hope to get help diagnosing my problem. I am experiencing low base oil pressure at idle and long crank conditions. I will give as much information as I have, but can possibly get more as questions arise.
The first indication of an issue was a Check Gauge light and low oil pressure indication at idle, after driving about 10 miles. After sitting an hour there was a long crank condition. The engine does start, but only after cranking for about 30 seconds. When it does start it runs normally with the exception of a low oil pressure condition at idle. If engine is stopped and restarted within a minute, start is immediate. Longer wait to restart results in long crank condition.
I have a Scan Gauge II and AutoEnginuity program with Ford Enhanced Powertrain.
Conditions during long crank, no start:
ICP = 0, IPR = 85, SYC = 1
Conditions after start at idle:
ICP = 752, IPR = 28.5, SYC = 1, FMP = 49.0, FLP = 13.0, LPO pressure - 700 rpm = 5, 1200 rpm = 18, 1800 = 28
What I have done so far to diagnose:
1. Changed oil and verified level before and after. OK
2. Performed filter out of housing fill test. OK
3. Held filter in position without cap, filled and verified housing check valve. OK
4. Removed and checked LPO regulator valve assembly. OK
5. Pulled ICP sensor on passenger side valve cover to verify oil present. OK
6. Performed cylinder contribution balance test. OK
7. Replaced the oil pressure switch and eventually replaced the switch with a gauge.
History:
Purchased 10/2006 48K miles
2008 2011 replaced 8 injectors with stock OEM, Swamps 48V FICM.
2014 152K miles, replaced oil cooler, replaced 2 injectors, blue spring, MBRP 4" Turbo back exhaust, Sinister Coolant filter, PM EGR delete, EGT & Fuel psi gauges, 08 trans pan & filter.
I would really appreciate any suggestions or input.
The first indication of an issue was a Check Gauge light and low oil pressure indication at idle, after driving about 10 miles. After sitting an hour there was a long crank condition. The engine does start, but only after cranking for about 30 seconds. When it does start it runs normally with the exception of a low oil pressure condition at idle. If engine is stopped and restarted within a minute, start is immediate. Longer wait to restart results in long crank condition.
I have a Scan Gauge II and AutoEnginuity program with Ford Enhanced Powertrain.
Conditions during long crank, no start:
ICP = 0, IPR = 85, SYC = 1
Conditions after start at idle:
ICP = 752, IPR = 28.5, SYC = 1, FMP = 49.0, FLP = 13.0, LPO pressure - 700 rpm = 5, 1200 rpm = 18, 1800 = 28
What I have done so far to diagnose:
1. Changed oil and verified level before and after. OK
2. Performed filter out of housing fill test. OK
3. Held filter in position without cap, filled and verified housing check valve. OK
4. Removed and checked LPO regulator valve assembly. OK
5. Pulled ICP sensor on passenger side valve cover to verify oil present. OK
6. Performed cylinder contribution balance test. OK
7. Replaced the oil pressure switch and eventually replaced the switch with a gauge.
History:
Purchased 10/2006 48K miles
2008 2011 replaced 8 injectors with stock OEM, Swamps 48V FICM.
2014 152K miles, replaced oil cooler, replaced 2 injectors, blue spring, MBRP 4" Turbo back exhaust, Sinister Coolant filter, PM EGR delete, EGT & Fuel psi gauges, 08 trans pan & filter.
I would really appreciate any suggestions or input.
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Might be time to pull the LPOP.
Before you do that, you did put in a 40 wt oil (or even a 30 wt oil)?
Also, I can't imagine you would have any fuel dilution of the oil since you just changed it, but you might check on that.
It is somewhat unfortunate you changed the oil - an oil analysis on the old oil (for metals) might have been helpful.
Before you do that, you did put in a 40 wt oil (or even a 30 wt oil)?
Also, I can't imagine you would have any fuel dilution of the oil since you just changed it, but you might check on that.
It is somewhat unfortunate you changed the oil - an oil analysis on the old oil (for metals) might have been helpful.
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It just doesn't sound like a HPO leak or even an HPOP issue, but who knows - maybe it is. Maybe an IPR valve problem could leak enough oil to drop the LPO pressures. Maybe the pressed in ball bearing on the HPOP came out also. Anything in the HPO system that would drop the LPO pressure should cause a no-start I would think (not just a long crank). What is also odd is that it would restart hot if attempted immediately.
Maybe time for an air test ..... before opening up the LPOP.
If it isn't one of the issues above, then I would guess it to be an issue w/ the LPOP or an internal engine issue.
Maybe time for an air test ..... before opening up the LPOP.
If it isn't one of the issues above, then I would guess it to be an issue w/ the LPOP or an internal engine issue.
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Several issues can result in the HPO reservoir draining down. I wouldn't think that that would cause low pressure in the LPO system though - especially after getting it started.
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